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  1. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    There was another case in his second fight against Accelerator in OT Vol 21 or 22. There was an actual explosion he managed to minimize the damage from but nothing like a carpet bombing.
  2. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    Stiyl may have been weak at the time but I'm more so arguing that Touma is strong enough to send him into a flip not just knock him out. I can't see most athletes doing that to someone as big as Stiyl. Can't fight you on that. Though I do think if magical aspects were removed via IB Han would...
  3. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    My point with the Zombies is that don't have the ability to dodge, something that Touma does. I wasn't saying they are weak. Stiyl is young but his body mass is still the same so it doesn't really lesson anything. He can train and grind all he wants but there is no evidence that would suggest...
  4. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    Touma's precognition basically allows him to negate what would be fatal and minimize the damage he takes. I quoted an example in a post above. (The really long one)
  5. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    With the Zombies, he still had to use enhancements to fight them off. My argument regarding them more so revolves of their lack of ability to even think of dodging rather than just taking the hit. Also, I don't think we have any way of knowing what would happen if IB came into contact with Gamer...
  6. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    So Touma can throw grass at him. Definitely a game changer. (Not really)
  7. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    Once they get into fist fighting range I can't see either of them being able to escape it with speed equalized. Touma has used tricks in fights before so something like the environment they are fighting on could also factor into things.
  8. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    I see. In that case, if Touma managed to land a hit with IB would that lead to a combo by screwing up Hans abilities for an instant?
  9. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    I was just making an argument that his actual abilities would cease to work. I wasn't saying that Han actually had his body changed. Just a what if. Touma should be aware that any powers his opponent uses would be negated so it's not something he would likely think on. Touma had dodged attacks...
  10. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    @CoreOfimbalance(COB) Touma has stated before that Tsuchimakado was a better fighter than him so I don't think that takes away from his own fighting ability. We don't actually know how well trained Tsuchimakado is. We've seen Touma punch people so hard they've flown meters away. That is no weak...
  11. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    His body should just revert back to its Pre-Gamer ability state if IB touches him unless his actual body was recreated to use the ability.
  12. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    All we can do is assume, I guess. The principles behind his weapons are just not in-depth enough to make a good call. I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if he shared a power with an Esper. Would it kill them or work as a loophole? If he did go sharing his power though I think you...
  13. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    In Raildex terms I still think the weapons created by Gaia wouldn't change anything since things like Angels were created by God, who in Index would be similar to Gaia in being a creator, are still defeated by IB. As for the training, my only problem with it is the lack of seeing it in action on...
  14. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    My reason for bringing up Accelerator was an example of Touma being a skilled enough fighter that he can defeat a seemingly all powerful foe only using one hand and since at 8-C Han only fought seemingly brainless Zombies. Just an exampe of a feat. The weapons would still be destroyed unless...
  15. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    The weapons he recieved as drops or were made with magic would likely be destoyed upon touch as Touma has been shown to do with magical artifacts. As for Misaka example in the raigun manga when Touma touched her she lost the abilty to use all her powers. It is never stated that she stores the...
  16. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    Plus with precog Touma could probably cancel any earth manipulation by touching the ground. I think the fight would be decided on how Han makes his first move. If he focus' in def and att at the start I would say Touma wins more times than not and if he backs off and snipes Han wins more. My...
  17. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    I agree that a counter probably wouldn't work since Toumas power null is a special case in fiction as it technically isn't magic or supernatural (as weird as that sounds). Anything that is unnatrual to the world (his world specifically) is erased. It's like a save state you could say. As far as...
  18. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    That seems much more fair. Did 8-C Han already learn martial arts or is it before he learned them? I think that if he casts barrier and shot off a mana blast that should give Touma sufficient time to reach him.
  19. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    I can only assume that Han will choose range since the OP states specifically "Han believes Touma is a mercenary sent to kill him and attacks him accordingly" as a condition. There are few, if any, times of Han just going straight into CQC and with his high INT I can't see him approaching Touma...
  20. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    Gotcha, I sorta just took COBs word for it since I haven't read The Gamer in a while and the power crawl was pretty insane from what I remember. In terms of CQC Touma is still a fairly good street fighter, able to handle at least 2 v 1, and I didn't notice any martial art specific feats on Hans...
  21. Hapt1k

    "Natural Power" my arse, Kamijou Touma vs Han Jee-Han

    If Han can just fly up and drop a building on Touma with no way to defend himself isn't this just a Stomp making the battle invalid? If so, I would call a mismatch. Also if the fight were to continue into a fist fight would IB nullify his intelligence since it results from a stat he increased...
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