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  1. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Can you also mention to them that characters from the Nasuverse with Anti-World attacks deserve to be 3A, since pretty much they can destroy/shatter/overwrite/erase any false universe or pocket dimension, no matter their size?
  2. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    There is no little evidence, as long as it is evidence it has value. You still don't reject any of the points of my original post with a valid argument. You just said that it's "aesthetics", and assume that he wasn't taking the fight seriously. You don't show evidence for your claims, but rather...
  3. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Admins? it's just one guy. But thank you very much for sticking to this and reading my posts. Good night. Actually, the same goes for everyone else debating against the Abyssal Idiot, thanks for putting attention to my evidence and using critical thinking to don't let yourselves be fooled. It's...
  4. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Reminder that Loptr didn't fought Balder fair and square when he possesed the Right Eye, he just relied on Loki's Sovereign Power to beat him without effort. Before that Loptr managed to fend off Bayo and Balder, by using Loki as hostage. Bayo and Balder gave priority to save Loki. Not that it...
  5. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Let's be honest, Azathoth is biased, he didn't even consider the difference between a failed pocket dimension and an authentic universe. Gilgamesh could beat Mundus, as Ea can destroy any pocket dimension no matter the size. He has the power and authority to do that. He can return anything ot...
  6. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    "You imply he was legitimately getting hurt while nothing points to this." Except for the screaming, the grunts, and him taking some time to recover from the Shirogane Comet's crash. "You imply he used Loki's power to stop Bayo while nothing points to this." The Sovereign Power he took from...
  7. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Azathoth, you're stating that the damage he received had a toll on Loptr when he lost the Eyes, and I'm not against that. I mentioned that in my first post on this discussion thread. But you can clearly see that even as Aesir, he was taking damage from Bayo and Balder. He was fast as Aesir to...
  8. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    So? The points of my first post still remain, I don't care that he didn't have time to recover from exhaustion- I care about the fact that he was hurt through the battle, screamed in pain, got hits landed on him, and put effort into the fight, got his armor/clothes, and never mantained the...
  9. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    At least 3B without the Eyes. With the Eyes and fighting perfectly as father and daughter in an all out super serious fight, they're are easily 3A. It's not a debate, but a proven fact thanks to the lore and th fact that the Eyes can be used by Balder, Bayonetta, and Loptr with Loki's Sovereign...
  10. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    "Literally the first thing he does before the fight is forcefully take Bayo and Balder's eyes. It's how the entire thing starts." Actually, the first thing he did was steal Loki's power to control the Eyes, so that he could remove them from them without even fighting. He didn't even fight...
  11. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    1. He was feeling damage, he screams and feels pain while fighting Bayo and Balder, and after the Shirogane Comet crashes into him, he takes some times to recover from that. 2. The Prophet's statement comes in. Bayo was forfeiting in their first fight, and he took the Eyes away from them after...
  12. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    "Loptr, who is literally what Aesir was before taking both Eyes, overpowered Bayo and Balder." When did he overpowered them after he turned into Aesir? They hold their gound better than him. Balder was blown ouf ot the scenario... without any injury and scratch, and Bayo owned him alone for the...
  13. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Because even if they lost their Eyes, Balder and Bayo still are the most powerful characters that represent light and darkness in the Bayonetta universe (for sure stronger than a badly resurrected Jubileus). It's pretty much the only battle with actual tension and effort put by both at the same...
  14. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Azathoth, you have shown no evidence of why Balder and Bayo at their prime should not be 3A, specially when they have the Eyes and cooperate in the end. The fact that Aesir showed signs of pain and getting hurt on battle still remain. And remember the presence of damaged armor and the fatigue...
  15. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    He overpowered him, watched the prologue. Loptr's essence is desperately tying to escape, but Balder manages to retain him, and finallyy act and speak as himself to him. He killed Loptr by forcing to die with him. Balder had the last laugh.
  16. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Oh and there is no doubt that Bayo and Balder with the Eyes are 3A, true they are getting a boost from the original Aesir's power, but they still are considered 3A. Just like when Doom became all powerful with the Beyonder's power. They are also good controlling the Eyes, because they are the...
  17. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    He didn't overpower Balder all the way though, when he tried to escape Balder didn't allowed him, he made him die as a mortal with thim. Balder won the struggle in the very end, he overpowered him. And again, Aesir is took damage through the battle, even in the elaborated Shirogane Comet scene...
  18. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Azathoth we need to have a serious debate regarding the nature of an universal feat, anyone can participate if you want. It seems that the page lacks good and well established criteria to distinguish an actual universe from a pocket dimension. This page lacks rules to determine what is an real...
  19. Melted_Love

    Mundus Universe Level, Type-Moon, and considering pocket dimensions as universes

    So Mundus created a pocket dimension, with its own stars, planets, and constellations. Nobody is questioning if the physics of his pocket dimension apply to ours. If he can destroy and create a star in his pocket dimension, then he can also do it in the real world, outside his pocket dimension...
  20. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    So thanks to Kamiya, who somehow I managed to answer me a question, and some previous statements that he made in the past, we know that the Jubileus resurrected in the first game and Sheba are not tier 3. In both, the anime and the game, they can travel faster than light across the Solar System...
  21. Melted_Love

    Possible Jubileus's upgrade?

    Don't close it. I have new evidence regarding Jubileus, Sheba, Aesir, Young Balder, and Bayo. Please wait for it. I need to ask everyone to at least take a look at Bayonetta's anime final fight, and a closer look at the cutscenes of Bayo and Balder against Aesir. Also, Azzy made a mistake...
  22. Melted_Love

    Bayonetta Stats

    Balder states that the Jubileus Bayonetta confronted was going to "destroy" the 3 realities. Jubileus half awakened with her vessel, Balder/Loptr's essence and the right eye absorbed is powerful enough to "destroy" the 3 universes. The two eyes were needed to resurrect her at her 100% percent...
  23. Melted_Love

    Bayonetta Stats

    Azatoth is making such a great disaster at the Bayonetta pages. Balder before "dying" on the first game stated that Jubileus even half awakened was going to create an out of control vortex of destruction and finish off the established trinity of realities. Aesir was able to warp the human...
  24. Melted_Love

    Bayonetta VS Samus Aran

    Wow, guys. You screwed up pretty bad this one. Due to Sheba's Universal Level attack potency and range, Bayo wins this fight. Remember, Samus isn't fighting one Universal Level opponent, but rather two. Also, Bayo and Sheba, unlike Samus, aren't restricted to fight on planets or surfaces with...
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