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  1. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    I'd be fine with keeping all the 23rd Budokai characters 5-C based on some supporting statements, but I still believe all the 5-C scaling before that except for Roshi's MAX Power Kamehameha should be removed. Even if Tienn's Tri-beam is 5-C, it's still a dodgeable move that takes a lot of...
  2. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    I explained that in the OP, Piccolo only chose to tank it when he witnessed Goku's power firsthand and realized it wasn't the Kamehameha. He knew it wouldn't hurt him, and it's why he chose to tank it. There's no guarantee King Piccolo would just stand there and tank Roshi's MAX Power...
  3. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    If you wanna go the route of using heavily sourced materials, then you could also use the Weekly Jump & Daizenshuu statement which says King Piccolo's full power is equivalent to a small nuclear bomb. That is directly supported by the fact King Piccolo took quite a lot of time and effort to...
  4. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    That's assuming King Piccolo will just stand by and watch as Master Roshi pumps up to his maximum power and prepare his Kamehameha. He doesn't even need to dodge the blast as it's fired, he can just get behind Roshi or interrupt the attack before it's fired. Too many flaws exist with firing the...
  5. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    Personally, I'm against using DB guidebooks as indicators of tier level because there's a lot of contradictions in them and they end up being retconned anyway.
  6. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    It is your place when the entire premise of the argument that King Piccolo is 5-C relies on the assumption that Roshi's Max Power Kamehameha wouldn't have been enough to defeat King Piccolo. There's also the straightforward fact that Roshi needs to have a clear, non-moving target in order to...
  7. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    All the examples you gave are either hyperbole, explanations I already gave in the OP, and addressing inconsistencies with using DB guidebooks as justification.
  8. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    I could also make the argument that a lot of assumptions were made that just because characters are stated to surpass someone, that automatically means those characters surpass the strongest attacks. As I stated before, Did SSJ Vegeta surpass Cell when he unleashed a Final Flash against him and...
  9. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    Another great point. Energy attacks are charged and can surpass their opponents, but that doesn't mean the user themselves can fight at that level of power or are viewed as surpassing their opponent. Did SSJ Vegeta surpass Cell when he unleashed a Final Flash against him and taking off half his...
  10. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    Daizenshuu is incredibly inconsistent with their statements and have multiple moments of contradiction. Using that as the basis for justification of 5-C isn't a very good idea because I could bring up just as many instances where Daizenshuu or other guidebooks say something different or...
  11. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    I already detailed that there were no possible tactics that could have been used for Roshi to unleash his MAX Power Kamehameha. No one was strong enough to restrain or trap Piccolo long enough for him to unleash the MAX Power Kamehameha. As for the argument of the statements Roshi saying he...
  12. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    We have very little evidence or statements to show how the moon was brought back. How long did it take for Kami to bring back the moon? Did Kami use the Dragon Balls to wish thee moon back? Was it a gradual process or did it happen almost immediately? There are several methods that could have...
  13. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    Because that weaker state is the state he uses whenever he's fighting seriously and the state in which he knows he can actually fight someone instead of fire one powerful Kamehameha wave that they can dodge before reverting to his regular form.
  14. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    There are characters Roshi can't defeat because he knows his most powerful technique wouldn't land. It's as simple as that. Why use a technique that isn't going to work? It's the same reason why Vegeta never used Super Saiyan Grade 3 against Cell. Yes, he would've been stronger than Cell, but it...
  15. CiscoTheSoto

    Hello, Damage. I hope your day has been going well. I wanted to have you revise this content...

    Hello, Damage. I hope your day has been going well. I wanted to have you revise this content revision thread I made for OG Dragon Ball. I argue that the premise surrounding the argument is flawed and that no OG Dragon Ball characters except Roshi should scale to 5-C based on his moon-busting...
  16. CiscoTheSoto

    OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

    I am aware this is a contentious issue, but I have several problems with the current 5-C scaling for original Dragon Ball characters. The entire concept of the 5-C scaling is centered around a flawed logic suggested in this thread which justifies the scaling. Now, I'm not suggesting that Master...
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    • Forum: Content Revision
  17. CiscoTheSoto

    Goku vs Yamcha: The Rematch [0-0-0]

    As much as I want to give Yamcha this win, I feel I have to give it to Goku. Overall, Goku has shown himself to be the consistently superior fighter compared to Yamcha and has managed to improve in ways that Yamcha hasn't. They both already have general knowledge about each other, but Goku's...
  18. CiscoTheSoto

    Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

    Yeah, it's a slippery slope to make these guesses since we don't have enough info like you said. Thinking it over, it's possible that the Tamagami could rival Buu. Glorio was confident that Goku could defeat Gomah since he'd already defeated Buu, but when Goku expressed the desire to fight the...
  19. CiscoTheSoto

    Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

    So just a general question, but how strong do you think the Tamagami warriors will be? If I had to take a guess, they are probably around the SSJ2 Gohan, Vegeta and Goku level given that no one's ever beaten them, which presumably includes Dabura. I think it's a stretch to assume they're at the...
  20. CiscoTheSoto

    GOTENKS IS WEAK O.o ---> AP Buu Saga Review

    Based on what? That's what I don't get. The only thing I see suggesting this in the manga is the Daizenshuu statement saying his base power surpassed SSJ3, but that would only apply to the anime. The manga gives no proof that base Vegito surpassed either Ultimate Gohan or SSJ3 Gotenks. Is it...
  21. CiscoTheSoto

    GOTENKS IS WEAK O.o ---> AP Buu Saga Review

    I agree with this revision. I've always had a hard time swallowing the idea that pre-training base Gotenks was somehow stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta. The only proof is from an off-handed comment from Krillin who's in shock and considers maybe he can beat Innocent Buu, but Piccolo immediately shoots...
  22. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    So how long will it take before we see Asa kiss Denji instead of Yoru? I swear, practically every intimate moment that Denji's had is with Yoru, who manages to mess it up and only make things more confusing and disorienting for Denji. And now, he blames himself for Yoru's actions and everyone...
  23. CiscoTheSoto

    Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

    I agree it shouldn't matter with the quality of the story, but it's still just there nagging me. At the end of the day, all I care about is consistency and visibly showing feats that reflect the strength. Guess I've only got myself to blame for getting invested in the powerscaling aspect of...
  24. CiscoTheSoto

    Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

    So I thought this episode was really great. Glad we got some extra lore about the demon realm. Though at the same time, I'm kinda worried about consistency to the story. I don't want there to be some sort of infinite multiverse reveal or something like that, though unfortunately that may be...
  25. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    So I've seen people complain about how the recent chapters kinda mess up the scaling for AP, durability and speed regarding Yoru, Pochita, and the Aging Devil. But let's consider a couple of things. First, when Aging Devil attacked in unison with Yoru and Katana Man. I'd argue Pochita didn't...
  26. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    Absolutely. I see a ton of reddit posts bashing the chapters when only like a third of the pages are released and given the most backwater English translations. It's ridiculous.
  27. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    JJK is over. Final chapter has come out. Looks like CSM will have to take it from here.
  28. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    I agree it's very odd. Perhaps it's because Yoru is still recovering her full strength. The big attacks she has in mind can't be used with her regular power, so she needs extra sacrifices in order to seriously damage Pochita. There's still no indication Yoru has returned to her full strength...
  29. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    "Oh, that's right. At the end of the day. Both of these two... are curses."
  30. CiscoTheSoto

    Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

  31. CiscoTheSoto

    One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

  32. CiscoTheSoto

    Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

    So guys, I was looking around the JJK Vs battle page, and I've seen that Takaba still doesn't have a profile. Is anyone working on that, or it is just too hard cuz his technique doesn't rely on AP and hax?
  33. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    I think there're a lot of things to consider about whether this speed feat is valid and what the calculations will show. The distance from Mount Elbrus to Tokyo is 4,907 miles in a straight direction. Gulf of Mexico distance is a bit trickier since it doesn't specify where along the Gulf of...
  34. CiscoTheSoto

    Chainsaw Man discussion thread

    I knew the speed feat was the only thing people here would be talking about when this chapter came out. Now we got a whole slew of revisions and calculations coming up.
  35. CiscoTheSoto

    Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

    Ma god, man. The cope was turned into hope, and everyone huffing copium was finally able to get off their addiction with this chapter. I, myself, could not stop laughing like a dang doofus, and I'm so happy I didn't get this spoiled by being an anime-only fan. I'm sure everyone's gonna just...
  36. CiscoTheSoto

    Naoya Zenin vs Satoru Gojo

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  37. CiscoTheSoto

    Maki vs Mahito

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  38. CiscoTheSoto

    "You work overtime for your brothers?"

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  39. CiscoTheSoto

    Uvogin vs Jirobo

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  40. CiscoTheSoto

    Todo Asks a Lawyer His Type

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