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  1. Betaredex

    Yasuri Shichika vs Emiya Shirou

    Man whose body is a sword vs man whose body is made of swords Perfected Deviant Blade Shichika vs Fate Route Shirou Shichika's Profile Shirou's Profile Shichika: Shirou: Inconclusive:
  2. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu revision

    For the first point, I assumed your reasoning behind not considering Manabu collapsing the superposition as destruction of some number of possible worlds was that there could be an external observer that keeps everything in a superposition. That was a misunderstanding on my part, I guess. In...
  3. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu revision

    Also, I'm concerned that this interpretation will cause a lot of inconclusive matchups, since there's no way to gauge what is a possibility of the universe that Manabu can observe and what isn't. I very much doubt that the existence of magic was already permitted within the laws of Manabu's...
  4. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu revision

    Also, I'd appreciate clarification on one thing: When you use the deduction that the Qualia-verse functions on the Copenhagen interpretation, are you implying that: a. Possibilities are not 4D constructs b. Manabu doesn't "destroy" alternate possibilities by observing them c. Both
  5. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu revision

    Just finished reading the thread, I appreciate the clarity of your argument. The one part of this interpretation that strikes me as strange is that there's no indication of whether that observer outside of the box who determines Manabu's observation actually exists. From Manabu's perspective...
  6. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Is everyone here in agreement on 2-A then?
  7. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Also, I think you're misunderstanding what 2-A is. To qualify as 2-A, you have to be able to destroy an infinite number of universes. Just because she didn't destroy every possibility doesn't mean she didn't destroy an infinite number of possibilities, which is the point I was trying to make before.
  8. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    I was a bit confused by what your argument was so I gave an explanation that didn't really apply. Sorry about that.
  9. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    My original point was that the the possibilities are ALL distinct worlds. The universe with magic existing was described by Manabu as another possibility, and it clearly isn't the same universe.
  10. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    2-A requires an infinite number of 4-D systems, not ALL 4-D systems. There are an infinite number of even numbers, every even number is an integer, and there are an infinite number of integers, but that doesnt mean every integer is even.
  11. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    I'm unsure what would prompt a 2-B rating. Whether you interpret the collapse of the superposition as an indication of AP or not, there's nothing that suggests that she'd be limited to a finite number of universes (which is what 2-B is).
  12. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    If there's only one universe remaining, doesn't that mean that the superposition of all the other possibilities was collapsed? Regardless, she can still manipulate every possibility through observation.
  13. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Updated the page.
  14. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Actually, time travel would fall under time manipulation. I felt like what she did when redefining herself out of the universe was more akin to Law Manipulation but it could fall under Information Manipulation as well.
  15. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    I assumed it would be an uncountably infinite number since theoretically there are an uncountably infinite number of ways you can manipulate the laws of the universe. My reservation with regards to that is that it's never actually explored.
  16. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Alright, I wasn't aware that was how High 2-A was defined. I'm fine with 2-A if that describes her better. Agreed on the other points, I'll update my page tomorrow.
  17. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    My bad, I assumed you had read it during the previous thread. It's a bit tricky to find single scans to use as evidence, since a lot of it requires context. You can read it if you're interested though. It's only 18 chapters: https://********.org/title/9114/qualia-the-purple Just the manga...
  18. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    @Cal @CP @Ant I'd appreciate review of my reasoning.
  19. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    First of all I'd like to say that my motivation in creating this thread was not initially to move Manabu to High 2-A. I noticed that there had been a revision thread I hadn't participated in and I found the descriptions on her abilities to be rather vague and poorly worded. Regardless of the...
  20. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Bump
  21. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    An uncountably infinite collection of N-dimensional objects is N+1-dimensional. If we're assuming the "possibilities" to be distinct 4-dimensional universes, then a collection of an uncountably infinite number of them is certainly 5-d. It's not about the fact that every parallel world has more...
  22. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    From the tiering system page: Multiverse level+: Characters who can destroy and/or create a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums. Take note that the universes are technically lined up along a 5-dimensional axis, but that their geometrical size still amounts...
  23. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    I'd assume she could affect an uncountably infinite number of possibilities, which would be a 5-d space I don't much care about the Subjective Reality part, I personally didn't feel like it properly described how her powers work, but I'm fine with it being there
  24. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Just reorganized the Powers and Abilities section again, you can go take another look. Going to put her as 2-A on my page until any arguments are made to the alternative.
  25. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    I'd say that Subjective Reality is moreso a subset of Reality Warping, and not a kind of Reality Warping that Manabu really does. She's not making unreal things real or real things unreal since all the possibilities are just as real as each other.
  26. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Quick question: how should I format it if I want two powers to have the same justification?
  27. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    Agreed on Acausality though.
  28. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    https://s2.********.org/data/18ae6ff106e7e6974d7dab024de84d04/x3.jpg It says that she went beyond the limits of HUMAN observation, and that she's hidden herself from the recognizable universe. I don't think that allows her to escape observation from beings that exist beyond the ToE/universe...
  29. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    @RM97 I'm pretty sure she said the opposite, that learning the theory of everything led to a new theory of everything outside of the first, and therefore she could never fully escape being observed (otherwise she'd probably have 1-A durability or something). She just escaped observation from...
  30. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    The main reason I view the "alternate possibilities" as distinct universes is that they have different physical laws (magic being possible, for instance.) At that point it kinda surpasses probability manipulation.
  31. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu Revisions

    I cleaned up some of the wording on the page for Manabu: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Betaredex/Hatou_Manabu - Used her given name (Manabu) rather than her family name (Hatou) - Changed the wording on the description of her abilities - Added an origin section As for the tier...
  32. Betaredex

    Why isn't Hatou 2-A?

    I honestly still don't see what separates the "possiblities" from full-fledged universes. It feels like semantics to me (not gonna lie the writing of Qualia is very abstract and vague in general though lol).
  33. Betaredex

    Power Stars

    Alright, thanks for clarifying.
  34. Betaredex

    Power Stars

    Bump.
  35. Betaredex

    Power Stars

    How does wielding Power Stars affect Mario characters' AP? I've seen various feats to put Power Stars at Star or Galaxy level, but I don't recall any evidence that a Mario character wielding a Power Star could actually destroy a star or galaxy. Can someone clarify?
  36. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu: 2-A to High 1-C

    But the superposition collapsing is caused by Manabu. It isn't like the universe assumed a state on its own. It's been shown that she can manipulate reality in her observation freely. I would think that there are an uncountably infinite number of ways of doing so.
  37. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu: 2-A to High 1-C

    I should've clarified, I meant uncountably infinite 4-d space-time continuums.
  38. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu: 2-A to High 1-C

    As for destroying the alternate realities, Manabu is causing their destruction through the physical laws of her world, i.e. that observation dictates reality. This is the same as any other exertion of power, see my example with a magic user above. Utilizing universal laws to manipulate some form...
  39. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu: 2-A to High 1-C

    In that case, theres something I'm clearly misunderstanding about the tiering system. From my understanding, 5-d space consists of A x B x C x D x E where x is the Euclidean product and A is a set bijective with the reals. In the case of infinite 4-d space-time continuums, A is the set of...
  40. Betaredex

    Hatou Manabu: 2-A to High 1-C

    A possibility cloud is equivalent to infinite 4-d space-time continuums, which is 5-d. They're one and the same.
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