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  1. Ryuetsu

    Of Kings and Future Emperors (Asgore Dreemurr vs. Taira no Fumikado)

    Third time's the charm, eh? Anyway, after seeing the success in Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans, I wanted to put another Len'en character against another UT character. Reactivate Majestical Imperial's Vessel for the New Emperor, Taira no Fumikado, against the King of the Underground, Asgore Dreemurr...
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  2. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    From what I've seen, the only reason Sukune and Sese are friends is because of their common desire to enact vengeance upon the Senri Shrine, which leads to their team-up. More of a rough relationship with Tenkai as the mediator rather than just plain old friends.
  3. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    @Desmiondo No? As far as I know, the only two people that they trust are Sukune Katano and Tenkai Zuifeng, and out of the two of them, only Sukune attacked, most likely at Yaorochi's chagrim too.
  4. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    @Desmiondo Sese wouldn't have any reason to trust Sans. Besides, most of the after-fight talk is just them complaining about how they lost.
  5. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    There's only one mention of Sese's soul in the entire series, and that was just a remark from Shion saying that it smelled tasty.
  6. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Yeah but in a scenario where he can't use his intelligence of UT's game mechanics, it's not useful.
  7. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    For your Number 2 claim, remember that the fighting place is neutral. Game mechanics don't necessarily count if the fight isn't in the UTverse. This is why I didn't make the fighting place Mugenri.
  8. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Just a recap of votes. Sese Kitsugai: 7 | Sans: 1
  9. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Ah, good to know. Anyway, I already requested Promestein to close the thread since Sese met the required votes.
  10. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    1. A single danmaku bullet does do that much in the grand scheme of things. It's in a group that's when it's dangerous. 2. Flight doesn't exactly matter in the grand scheme of things. Yes, Sese can use flight to their advantage, but that doesn't mean that they can't dodge bullets from the...
  11. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Votes: 7 for Sese Kitsugai | 0 for Sans
  12. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Yes, I am still new here. Off on just a fabulous start, ain't I?
  13. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Sese has three votes, but Promestein says that they're required to have seven votes before the thread can close with a definite win, or something like that.
  14. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Y'know, commenting without voting isn't helping anyone from getting this thing resolved. I'd really like to have a thread that isn't removed because people refuse to vote, among other things.
  15. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Bump.
  16. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    I was just answering his question, jeez. Let him say what he thinks.
  17. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Sese hasn't seen manipulating the skeletons of other people (due to the lack of cutscenes or gameplay that isn't dodging a horde of bullets) nor was it discussed because Sese's technically a fodder character, however, during the Reactivate Majestical Imperial EX-Alpha stage, they WERE creating...
  18. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    I'd think otherwise. They were able to dodge horribly strong spells, like Yaorochi's "Two Glimmers" or Tsurubami's "Monochrome Bivalence" during the Suzumi fight. Yes, they all have humanoid figures, and some of them are actually human (Yabusame, Tsubakura, Kuroji, Xeno a, Haiji, Mitori, and...
  19. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Well, if Sans is going to be teleporting Sese around, that'll leave him open to spare bullets fired, besides, he might have to teleport individual bullets, which, in all honesty, don't deal much damage. As for experience, Sese's been in a variety of fights. They've picked fights with Yabusame...
  20. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Okay, I'll give you that. From a logical standpoint though, it doesn't make sense for Frisk to be a city buster, but that's just me. Sese can still dodge Sans' attacks. From a gameplay standpoint, Sese has dodged and dished out much worse. I think it's a little suspicious to say that something...
  21. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Unknown via hax, eh? Wasn't on the list to be removed on the Sans Clean-Up? Anwyay, the point still stands that a child was able to beat them, even though they had numerous tries, even though they abused reality, the point still stands. Besides, after five minutes, Sans got tuckered out and fell...
  22. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Fine then, but let me say this. Sans lost a fight to a small child with a short-ranged bladed weapon, and died. Even with equalized speed, even with a lack of hax, what makes you think that Sans can beat Sese Kitsugai, a gashadokuro youkai who has only lost to people who actually know what...
  23. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    I was pointing out YOUR logic fallacy. Well good on you for pointing out flawed logic, but now it's derailed the whole thing.
  24. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    I just did. Happy?
  25. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    I even said that Sese could beat Sans even if speed WAS equalized.
  26. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    You said it yourself back in Suzumi vs. Frisk. If the information isn't on the sight, then it can't be used. This very site does not say that Sans is *not* made of bone, so Bone Manipulation is still in the air. Karmic Retribution is most likely a karma based thing. What's your evidence that it...
  27. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Well then, speaking of votes. Sese: 3 Sans: 0
  28. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    You're still derailing the thread. Even so, I bet Sese could win without Bone Manipulation. They still have Earth Manipulation and a ludicrous amount of danmaku that could easily overpower Sans once he's gotten tired. Have you even seen his EX-Alpha spells? They're quite the spectacle, and...
  29. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Mettaton's body is still made of metal, no matter how much you'd want to prove otherwise. Besides, Alphys apparently wanted to give Undyne "something for her scales" which is physical.
  30. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    With that logic, you'd be implying that ALL the monsters are made of dust, which is like saying that Undyne doesn't have scales, Mettaton isn't made of metal, and Asgore and Toriel don't have fur. I'm fairly certain that the dust portion was an artistic choice, with "grinding" as in "gridning...
  31. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    It was never stated, but I thought it'd never need to be. Y'know. It's bones, made with bone and bone meal. Any bones that aren't made out of bone aren't bones, and Sans is a skeleton, and skeletons are made of bones. Y'get the correalation.
  32. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Sese was able to manipulate bones during RMI's EX-Alpha stage.
  33. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Well... I've been thinking, and I think that Sese could beat Sans, even if speed was equalized. Both Sans' stamina and defense are horribly weak, as he was able to die in one hit and couldn't last a ten minute battle. All Sese needs to do is stall Sans for about ten minutes, and then overwhelm...
  34. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    If Sese only has an advantage in stamina then it'd make little to no sense to equalize speed. It'd be purposely handicapping a fodder character with already low chances of winning the fight. Besides, you said it yourself. Sans outhaxes Sese in various situations, the only hax Sese having being...
  35. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Wanna describe how, though?
  36. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    I'm not going to equalize speed. I believe that speed equalization, albeit it can be fair, it situations like... I don't know... Goku vs. Rick Sanchez, it just seems like a massive wank for an underdog, and therefore, not an accurate fight. Besides, if you want me to equalize speed, then why'd...
  37. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    But Sese can still dodge his attacks. Coming from a bullet hell game as tough as Len'en, or if you want in role, a land as rough as Mugenri, Sese could most likely dodge Sans' attacks, not to mention potentially manipulate the attacks using bone manipulation, and not to mention that his speed is...
  38. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Well, roughly from stats, Sans has building level attack potency, while Sese has at least Small Town level durability. Not to mention it would be a bother to actually hit them, considering that they move at relativistic speeds at least. On top of that, in the actual game, Sans has shit stamina...
  39. Ryuetsu

    Sese Kitsugai vs. Sans

    Well, here's what I'm thinking. Sese has bone manipulation, correct? They use that to freeze Sans in place temporarily and/or move his attacks from landing, in theory. Along with that, one of their spells (which I have no idea why Sese's spells aren't listed, or ANY spells for ANY Len'en...
  40. Ryuetsu

    A ****** fights a skeleton

    Simple. If Esdeath has a time stop, she can just stop time and stab him once. It's over and done with.
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