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  1. Neatheneath

    Anyone in this wiki who can destroy this thing?

    A good wack from this:
  2. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    This initially started as me giving an alternate intepretation of the lifting Wandenreich feat (because it heavily depends on distance to calculate force / speed) and every time I try to bring it back to that there's all these non-sequiturs about Naruto, or Gin, or other metadiscussions from...
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    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Glad I made at least one regular smile. Sorry for the topic explosion. I'll try a blog post / thread on it over the weekend perhaps. But I have a bit much on my plate so I might have eaten up my "Internet flamewars" time budget for the next couple days.
  4. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Why does Naruto keep getting dragged into this? This is a Bleach revision thread, not a Naruto discussion. Secondly, the Jubi wasnt even massively hypersonic for most of its attacks and movement - most of whom the ninjas were not able to do anything against. It was basically just a wild beast...
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    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    It's not really a direct change, its pretty much "look for basis of God-tier feats elsewhere". Yhwach's final AP would be dependent on the verdict of his final attempt to destroy / merge SS, rather than elevating the Wandenreich. It could still end up being planetary based on that discussion...
  6. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    None of the characters you said scaled from Kaguya's speed or force. The moon levels were only achieved by specific techniques (Chibaku tensei) accessed by a very limited cast. By contrast Yhwach's speed and force scales to whoever reacts to / hurts / blocks him. It's on Ichigo's profile that...
  7. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    TLDR: I've always viewed the "elevates the Wandenreich" calc as sketchy in many respects. The distance calc is one of them which is unfortunately the basis for way too many feats afterward. Actually if you account for a massive distance, it's a significant boost in most of the Bleach tiers. So...
  8. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    @Apple regarding mach 300 i just used it as reference to lightning speed (Candace) and its highly consistent with Ichigos known previous limit (something less than mach 500). Youre taking a jump from there to relativistic which is thousands of times above that. If were going all the way to the...
  9. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    @Apple, the kaguya feats dont scale to the rest of the narutoverse because it was characters with specific techniques that fought them. With Yhwach vs anyone its just speed and force being compared. Half of his profile stats are people being scaled to his speed and force. Thats how we ended up...
  10. Neatheneath

    Sasuke Uchiha (Composite) vs Uryü Ishida (Composite)

    Let me guess. Both verses are being revised right now
  11. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Yeah I get how all the threads and arguments can get overwhelming. Its ok
  12. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    What you said can be easily resume as this "a massive outlier". The calcs are only added to the God Tiers Yhwach, Mimihagi, Ichigo, Aizen and possibly anyone important who fought at the Royal Realm. Everyone else below High tiers are outlier's. It's not a big jump either since Ichigo in Shikai...
  13. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    I'm just trying to come up with a valid explanation - supported by series lore - that doesn't mess up all other scalings and fits in with the series lore. If we pick a single distance for all states, I'm telling you way too many comparisons are getting broken and we need to weasel out of too...
  14. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Just to point out as well: the temperature of something and the amount of radiation / heat transfer are not necessarily the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqDbMEdLiCs TLDW: different materials conduct heat at different rates. Something that conducts heat transfer efficiently will feel...
  15. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Errr, maybe I worded myself bad, so I'll try to take it from the top. when the barriers are closed, Soul King palace is in another dimension. You literally can't travel there. when the barriers are ope, Soul King palace feels like its hanging somewhere in the sky, close enough to Seireitei...
  16. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Same distance but faster is possible, but we're talking thousands to tens of thousands times faster. Given that in your timeframe it takes Ichigo about 9 hours to make it (32400 seconds) then we're looking at: 540x faster if the eye monsters took a minute (would break the narrative's pacing...
  17. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Is called short time frame, Naruto uses a lot for speed feats. Remember, Naruto and Sasuke got to the valley in two panels, after Kaguya. Im well aware of short time frame. The point Im trying to make is that they were falling in a short time frame so it couldnt have been an ultramassive...
  18. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    @AppleLord could you cite the rule im violating? Im sure i followed them to the best of my ability but I am new. In fact its a rule that we cant use Gin to upgrade Bleach characters.
  19. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Further adding: http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-621.html The eyeball monsters, which were falling from soul king palace, reached seireitei in a very short time (practically instantly). So unless there tens of thousands of times Ichigo's speed, you cant treat their distance...
  20. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    btw the gist of my point isnt to say there isnt a great distance, but that the dimension part of the equation can end up screwing straightforward distance calcs. Thus im inclined to say "go with a distance calc that scales best to other speed feats" rather than using this as a basis of scaling...
  21. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    I hope youre not suggesting I havent read Bleach multiple times over. Is this kind of poisoning the well encouraged on this wiki?
  22. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Even if all of those assumptions are true even with a King's Key, we have an official time-frame. Tenjiro told Ichigo it takes a week walking down stairs using Shunpo: http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-555-page-5.html But he decided to through himself at full speed...
  23. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    1,000 years ago Yhwach said that they constructed their own dimension under Seireitei. The Wandenreich. Quincy can created anything with Reishi, not just bows and arrows. When they do this, they convert things to energy and back, which is kinda my point. If Wandenreich was being transported...
  24. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    And there's also the Soul King palace being described as being in a separate dimension of Soul Society, so I'm not even sure that we can measure the "distance" in a straightforward manner. https://i.imgur.com/Se3Ygpa.jpg You wouldn't describe it as a separate dimension if it were just really...
  25. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    More importantly, can we really take this as a direct application of force, though? I don't see how this scales any of his attack potency, durability, striking strength, etc. Maybe attack speed if the distance and timeframe can be pinned down. It's highly specific to the Wandenreich, which...
  26. Neatheneath

    Bleach Revision Cont'd

    Note that Soul Society, like world, refers interchangeably to several things: the government (people representing / speaking on behalf of soul society / the gotei 13) the seat of government (Seireitei) the supercity/country (Seireitei+Rukongai) everything below the soul king palace...
  27. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    Any pointers on the current threads working on them?
  28. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    Striking Strength: At least Island Class+ (Dispatched Komamura's Bankai with ease, defeated a bunch of captains with simple slashes) | Multi-Continent Class (Defeated Isshin, Yoruichi and Urahara simultaneously) | At least Multi-Continent Class | At least Multi-Continent Class, likely higher |...
  29. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    ^ i judged Madara's stats higher because it was mentioned earlier in this thread that it was (and I thought it was obvious). But I just checked the wiki and Aizen is edging a bit higher in the stats though it boggles my mind how that could possibly be as in many of the cites there aren't even...
  30. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    I guess I better hold my doubts till after all the revisions have been judged (if they are still ongoing). I can't for the life of me get how we get multi-continental Isshin scaling Aizen's striking strength when Aizen and all the top Espadas together were having difficulty with a town.
  31. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    Just pointing out that whatever healing / evolution the Hogyouku gives him is not unlimited. There are limits to what the Hogyouku can do, in fact it breaks if it gets to those limits. If it doesn't "lose loyalty" before then. So it matters if the stats difference is too great if there is one...
  32. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    The Hogyouku has been stated to 1) receive damage if it's abused (thus Aizen needed to reawaken it) 2) work as a "guiding force" - if you dont have the power in you, it can't really help you ^ does the above need a separate thread? Hogyouku's evolution has always been NLFed too much. If Goku...
  33. Neatheneath

    Madara Uchiha (Composite) vs Sōsuke Aizen (Composite)

    Did Composite Madara ever demonstrate emotion sensing? Because that's not covered by Kyouka Suigetsu in the same way that KS never really covered Yamamoto's "if im touching you you can't fool me".
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