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Man whose body is a sword vs man whose body is made of swords
Perfected Deviant Blade Shichika vs Fate Route Shirou
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For the first point, I assumed your reasoning behind not considering Manabu collapsing the superposition as destruction of some number of possible worlds was that there could be an external observer that keeps everything in a superposition. That was a misunderstanding on my part, I guess.
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Also, I'm concerned that this interpretation will cause a lot of inconclusive matchups, since there's no way to gauge what is a possibility of the universe that Manabu can observe and what isn't. I very much doubt that the existence of magic was already permitted within the laws of Manabu's...
Also, I'd appreciate clarification on one thing: When you use the deduction that the Qualia-verse functions on the Copenhagen interpretation, are you implying that:
a. Possibilities are not 4D constructs
b. Manabu doesn't "destroy" alternate possibilities by observing them
c. Both
Just finished reading the thread, I appreciate the clarity of your argument.
The one part of this interpretation that strikes me as strange is that there's no indication of whether that observer outside of the box who determines Manabu's observation actually exists. From Manabu's perspective...
Also, I think you're misunderstanding what 2-A is. To qualify as 2-A, you have to be able to destroy an infinite number of universes. Just because she didn't destroy every possibility doesn't mean she didn't destroy an infinite number of possibilities, which is the point I was trying to make before.
My original point was that the the possibilities are ALL distinct worlds. The universe with magic existing was described by Manabu as another possibility, and it clearly isn't the same universe.
2-A requires an infinite number of 4-D systems, not ALL 4-D systems. There are an infinite number of even numbers, every even number is an integer, and there are an infinite number of integers, but that doesnt mean every integer is even.
I'm unsure what would prompt a 2-B rating. Whether you interpret the collapse of the superposition as an indication of AP or not, there's nothing that suggests that she'd be limited to a finite number of universes (which is what 2-B is).
If there's only one universe remaining, doesn't that mean that the superposition of all the other possibilities was collapsed? Regardless, she can still manipulate every possibility through observation.
Actually, time travel would fall under time manipulation. I felt like what she did when redefining herself out of the universe was more akin to Law Manipulation but it could fall under Information Manipulation as well.
I assumed it would be an uncountably infinite number since theoretically there are an uncountably infinite number of ways you can manipulate the laws of the universe. My reservation with regards to that is that it's never actually explored.
Alright, I wasn't aware that was how High 2-A was defined. I'm fine with 2-A if that describes her better. Agreed on the other points, I'll update my page tomorrow.
My bad, I assumed you had read it during the previous thread. It's a bit tricky to find single scans to use as evidence, since a lot of it requires context. You can read it if you're interested though. It's only 18 chapters: https://********.org/title/9114/qualia-the-purple
Just the manga...
First of all I'd like to say that my motivation in creating this thread was not initially to move Manabu to High 2-A. I noticed that there had been a revision thread I hadn't participated in and I found the descriptions on her abilities to be rather vague and poorly worded. Regardless of the...
An uncountably infinite collection of N-dimensional objects is N+1-dimensional. If we're assuming the "possibilities" to be distinct 4-dimensional universes, then a collection of an uncountably infinite number of them is certainly 5-d. It's not about the fact that every parallel world has more...
From the tiering system page: Multiverse level+: Characters who can destroy and/or create a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums. Take note that the universes are technically lined up along a 5-dimensional axis, but that their geometrical size still amounts...
I'd assume she could affect an uncountably infinite number of possibilities, which would be a 5-d space
I don't much care about the Subjective Reality part, I personally didn't feel like it properly described how her powers work, but I'm fine with it being there
Just reorganized the Powers and Abilities section again, you can go take another look. Going to put her as 2-A on my page until any arguments are made to the alternative.
I'd say that Subjective Reality is moreso a subset of Reality Warping, and not a kind of Reality Warping that Manabu really does. She's not making unreal things real or real things unreal since all the possibilities are just as real as each other.
https://s2.********.org/data/18ae6ff106e7e6974d7dab024de84d04/x3.jpg It says that she went beyond the limits of HUMAN observation, and that she's hidden herself from the recognizable universe. I don't think that allows her to escape observation from beings that exist beyond the ToE/universe...
@RM97 I'm pretty sure she said the opposite, that learning the theory of everything led to a new theory of everything outside of the first, and therefore she could never fully escape being observed (otherwise she'd probably have 1-A durability or something). She just escaped observation from...
The main reason I view the "alternate possibilities" as distinct universes is that they have different physical laws (magic being possible, for instance.) At that point it kinda surpasses probability manipulation.
I cleaned up some of the wording on the page for Manabu: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Betaredex/Hatou_Manabu
- Used her given name (Manabu) rather than her family name (Hatou)
- Changed the wording on the description of her abilities
- Added an origin section
As for the tier...
I honestly still don't see what separates the "possiblities" from full-fledged universes. It feels like semantics to me (not gonna lie the writing of Qualia is very abstract and vague in general though lol).
How does wielding Power Stars affect Mario characters' AP? I've seen various feats to put Power Stars at Star or Galaxy level, but I don't recall any evidence that a Mario character wielding a Power Star could actually destroy a star or galaxy. Can someone clarify?
But the superposition collapsing is caused by Manabu. It isn't like the universe assumed a state on its own. It's been shown that she can manipulate reality in her observation freely. I would think that there are an uncountably infinite number of ways of doing so.
As for destroying the alternate realities, Manabu is causing their destruction through the physical laws of her world, i.e. that observation dictates reality. This is the same as any other exertion of power, see my example with a magic user above. Utilizing universal laws to manipulate some form...
In that case, theres something I'm clearly misunderstanding about the tiering system. From my understanding, 5-d space consists of A x B x C x D x E where x is the Euclidean product and A is a set bijective with the reals. In the case of infinite 4-d space-time continuums, A is the set of...