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Why should Moriah scale to Oars Jr's durability? The Ursus Shock would have been spread over his entire body's surface area, while Moriah's attack was much more focused IIRC. It wouldn't need to be nearly as strong to harm him.
@The Calaca; I think the Golden rifle and the burn bazooka calcs would be a good start, Franky tanking that huge explosion as well.
And there are probably some feats that haven't been calc'd yet.
Also any tier list without top 5 judge is immediately invalid tbh.
Huh, well I don't think we're gonna meet eye to eye on this one then.
Chapter 275, he says that after one-shotting Robin, Gan Fall, Nola, and immediately after casually cancelling Wyper's BB. And to exactly quote him "You still don't understand? The energy you possess.. is nothing compared to...
You're greatly stretching and bending Enel's implications here. Saying "your energy is nothing compared to mine" really, and I mean really doesn't translate into "we have comparable energy output but you can't hit me".
Unless the Maxim breaks conservation of energy and somehow expends more than...
I think I laid out my points pretty clearly in the end of my last reply but;
@stefano4444; arguing that Wyper would still scale to the EL Thor is simply intentional ignorance to what's presented in the manga.
And Zoro and Sanji surviving the EL Thor doesn't say anything relevant about their...
The thing is, the backscaling is illogical. Zoro's AP scales to Enel's durability which scales to the EL Thor, but Enel no-sold Zoro's attacks according to you.
I think you're misunderstanding me, when Enel made that statement he hadn't showcased his intangibility to the people in front of him...
Okay, so if Enel scales to his durability, and he no-sold an attack from Zoro, then why does Zoro scale to Enel's durability?
And I'll just respectfully disagree with you there, Enel hadn't showcased his intangibility yet, and saying "your energy" doesn't really translate to "you can't hit me"...
What do you mean by "no sold"? Because Enel never took an attack head on. He blocked a slash with his staff, that's not durability.
The burn bazooka bounced off of Nola's skin, while the EL Thor fried him completely, ignoring the damage done to the snake's nervous system that's still an absurd...
@The calaca; Luffy's attacks damaged him significantly more than they did to say, Wyper (at least IIRC). And on top of him having no real relevant durability feats, there's nothing to suggest it's anywhere near his AP (it's not like Newton's 3rd law or anything would be in effect here).
So...
Luffy scales to Enel's EL Thor for some reason, and the chain goes on from there.
I think what I posted is pretty conclusive all things considered, if you still want to scale Luffy to Enel's AP you'd have to argue that the difference in power between him and Wyper is ludicrous.
You're using the word "fight back" very lightly here, robin was one-shotted, Gan Fall was one-shotted, Zoro was two-shotted and so was Wyper.
And usopp wasn't hit by the El Thor, if that's what you're implying.
The statement was made after they saw Enel one-shot Nola and casually overpower...
@The Calaca; getting stomped and barely standing back up isn't really being "comparable", now is it? And the fact that Sanji got one-shotted by EL Thor somewhat leads me to believe those attacks he used on Zoro and Wyper were somewhat weaker.
I doubt getting knocked out for hours(?) is enough...
All Sanji got off was a snarky remark, and Zoro was downed without even getting hit with an EL Thor, and it seems Wyper's AP is also scaled to the attack when that's been proven wrong in the manga.
And they're not comparable, that's kind of what "nothing compared to mine" would indicate.
Also...
Yo, so I'm looking at some Skypiea profiles, and it seems that we scale a lot of characters to Enel's AP, what's the justification for that?
This seems especially weird when it was stated that Enel's energy is on a whole different level, which is further supported by how Nola no-sold Wyper's...
About the description of CoC, in the viz Translation it's described as the ability to overwhelm, in other scanlations it's the ability to overpower the opponent's will.
So take it as you will.
@Damage3245; The viz translation certainly implies that.
But just for the sake accuracy here's the raw sca, using image translators I get "half-prepared" instead of "weak will", but it'd be appreciated if someone more knowledgeable could give some input.