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  1. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    I've said that I'm not familiar with Part 4, so if you rely on info from Part 4 to justify Jotaro's durability then feel free to disregard me . I'm just discussing things from the point of view of Part 3, where I can only find one instance of Jotaro being hit by Large Building AP. I didn't...
  2. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    Yeah, pretty much my point.
  3. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    The speedier character doesn't have the means to ever physically harm or kill the Power character (their durability is too high. For example, Planet-level durabilty vs the Speed character's Wall-level AP). Certain exterior forces could allow the Speed character to do so but outside help is...
  4. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    This metaphorical fight can only end when there is a victor. Otherwise it just keeps going on. Putting aging, food and other necessities aside, this fight would go on UNTIL the Power character wins. If you wait for infinity for something to happen, sooner or later it will happen...
  5. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    ...Large Building AP: 2 humans + the numerous weak Stands that harmed him. Time Jotaro was harmed by beings with Large Building AP: 1 Stand (the World*) (*At least that I'm aware of. If what you say about Part 4 is true then by all means make a thread about it.) So clearly it's the Large...
  6. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    I'm saying it has to happen EVENTUALLY. It could takes millions of years (implying the characters don't age) but the only way the fight can end without some exterior force interviening is if the MFTL+ gets hit. It could be for whatever stupid or unlikely reason, but getting hit has to happen...
  7. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    Yes, but the MFTL+ has no way to end the fight. They're stuck in this fight forever until they die. So unless one of them eventually dies of old age (always a possibility), the FTL would have to land a hit at some point in time. It could be because the MFTL+ gets tired or sleepy, but the FTL has...
  8. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    There are plenty of times where characters resort to harming stand users because their stands have stats that are too high (Yellow Temperence's durability, the Sun's AP etc.). I mean to say that Jojo has many one-off occurences that are unexplained and inconsistent with what we usually see. So...
  9. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    It would probably takes weeks but eventually they'd have to get hit. It sounds like a very boring, tedious fight but it comes down to the fact one of the characters has no means of killing the other so eventually the Power character has to land a hit. Even if it takes weeks, even if it's a lucky...
  10. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    Fair enough I guess, but I think figuring out how their stamina would play out is part of the debate. Guess it depends on the match-up.
  11. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    Speed characters also have the constant pressure of avoiding the Power character's attacks, while the Power character can pretty much take the fight as casually as they want since they won't be in any real danger (most of the time). So the average Speed character will eventually have to tire out...
  12. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    Even if the durable character becomes tired first they still have their high durability to rely on. The speed character meanwhile will progressively get slower the more tired they are. In this scenario the Speed character would just be avoiding the inevitable (getting hit by the Power character...
  13. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    Well yeah, obviously, but I'm saying that if their stamina is similar it's far more likely for a Speed character to become vunerable once they become tired than it is for a Power character to become vunerable once they become tired. Speed is directly linked to your stamina; once you become too...
  14. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    What I meant by Anubis' sword "not being resisted" is that it didn't go deep enough to be considered an actual durability feat. It got impaled into Jotaro but not enough to do any serious damage. If a sword was planet level but only impaled you a bit (not enough to damage your organs) and you...
  15. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    True but I don't see how scenario 1 (speed character becoming tired and power character one-shotting them) isn't the most likely one.
  16. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    1. Jotaro hadn't fought any Large Building level enemies before that. At least none that actively hit him. I can't speak for Part 4 stands as I haven't got to that part yet but the examples you name for Part 3 are clearly wrong or exaggerated. Magician's Red never harmed Jotaro directly, he...
  17. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    1. So Jotaro being harmed by everything under the sun is PIS but surviving the World isn't? Dio's dialogue when he's about to hit Jotaro with the World is mostly him showing off how cool his powers are and how superior he is. The type of dialogue villains use when toying with their opponent...
  18. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    1. Fair enough if you guys want to discuss that but I'm sure Large Building durability Jojo stand users would distabilise the scaling of the whole series. Would every stand user scale? Would a stand that harms Jotaro also be Large Building? Would that include humans who hurt Jotaro? Seems a lot...
  19. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    My own opinion is that this can go 3 main ways: 1. The Speed character would eventually tire out from dodging attacks, which would give the Power character the opportunity to one-shot them. 2. The Power character would eventually tire out from attempting to hit the Speed character. This might...
  20. LoudCloud

    Character with vastly more AP/Durabilty vs Character with vastly more Speed

    This is a dilema I've been thinking about for a while now. Who would you say would win in a fight: A character who has vastly superior AP and Durability or a character who has vastly superior Speed (whether it's travel, combat, reflex etc.) if they were to fight each other? It's a difficult...
  21. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    1. Are you trying to scale Jotaro's own dura to the World's AP? I've also already questioned Jonathan's durabilty. 2. Hamon doesn't exactly "melt" a vampiric being's body, disintegration is the word I'm looking for. And that blade looks like it was disintegrated where Joseph hit it. It's...
  22. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    1. I guess you have a point... sorta... I'm still a little confused (I'm not very used to discussing characters who can regen). My point is that DIO gets punched around like a rag doll every time SP hits him and we see visible damage that would most probably kill DIO if it wasn't for his...
  23. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    I think this would be a good time to bring up some scaling issues I've seen with Jojo. Some of these have been adressed by JustSomeWeirdo on previous threads but they tend to go inactive before the discussion comes to an agreement. 1. Does DIO actually tank SP's attacks? Because iirc they tend...
  24. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    I can't find the specific page of Polnareff stabbing Dio but there are ones of Polnareff on the ground unconscious facing Dio. The website probably just has some pages missing. Do these discussions of the new Jojo powerscaling belong here or should we move them to a different thread?
  25. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    I checked the manga specifically to find that and it wasn't there so I assume it was anime-only. I think he does impale Vanilla Ice who is Small Building level.
  26. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    Seems about Wall level right now. But I'm sure it'd get scaled to something more impressive if we look around. As for Anubis, I imagine he would be something like "At least Wall level initially (kept up with Silver Chariot), increases to Large Building eventually (harmed Star Platinum)...
  27. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    Yeah, pretty much, but my point still stands. If Anubis can make a normal human MFTL, it sure as hell can make Silver Chariot strong enough to hurt Star Platinum.
  28. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    I checked the manga and it was pretty much the same thing. We had two humans keep up with Silver Chariot's speed and Polnareff mentioned how Anubis' stats kept increasing from fight to fight. Jotaro also said so later on. We know Human w/Anubis  Silver Chariot > Human, plus all the times...
  29. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    Also Anubis had its own rankings when it was introduced (B in power and speed). Not that rankings are that important anymore but I doubt Araki would bother to give Anubis his own rankings if it simply used its wielders.
  30. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    In the anime it certainly does. It seems to be part of its powers. The Jojo wiki states: "both Jotaro and Polnareff noted that Anubis was becoming faster and stronger by the second during their respective fights against its possessed wielders. Coupled with its Intelligent Development, Anubis...
  31. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    That being said we really shouldn't go all trigger happy with the new powerscalings either. For example, I see we have Silver Chariot as "likely at least Large Building level" due to scaling to Star Platinum when it was very obvious that was only because of Anubis.
  32. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    Would doing away with Stand Rankings finally put an end to the controversy of Star Platinum having an E rank in durabilty during part 6? (which I think was probably refering to his downgraded time stop to begin with)
  33. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    In that case my theory doesn't hold up.
  34. LoudCloud

    Various JoJo Questions (And the Scaling System)

    Not sure if this will be of much help, but when exactly are those Rankings shown to us? Because if they're given after a certain fight/feat (that seems to contradict the rank), it could be because the Stand has gotten stronger since that fight/feat. Part 3 makes it clear that inexperienced...
  35. LoudCloud

    Tier 4 Demise, Link, and Hylia

    I know, I was referring to people who did say they scaled. My first comment was "Fair enough [to the main realm feat being discussed] but Demise wouldn't seek out the Triforce if he scaled to it. He'd have no use for it."
  36. LoudCloud

    Tier 4 Demise, Link, and Hylia

    The contradition I was pointing out was the logic behind Demise scaling to the Triforce despite the fact he acts as if he needs it for something he wouldn't usually be able to achieve. It's like if someone tried to claim that Thanos scales to the infinity gauntlet which makes no sense because...
  37. LoudCloud

    Tier 4 Demise, Link, and Hylia

    Trifroce was Planet level due to the evidence we have but there's always the chance it can be higher.
  38. LoudCloud

    Tier 4 Demise, Link, and Hylia

    It's hard to compare them in that sense but why would he need the Triforce to take over the world when he holds enough AP to pull that off already (since they scale)? He seemed to want the triforce for its destructive properties irrc.
  39. LoudCloud

    Tier 4 Demise, Link, and Hylia

    Fair enough but Demise wouldn't seek out the Triforce if he scaled to it. He'd have no use for it.
  40. LoudCloud

    JOJO Scaling Revision

    I don't remember this. When did it happen?
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