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  1. Ricsi-viragosi

    You can't really do muhh about it, it's how the wiki works. There were some stuff that...

    You can't really do muhh about it, it's how the wiki works. There were some stuff that (privately) told me they agreed, but they didn't actively take part in the argument since as soon as AKM agreed with deletion, it was a done deal.
  2. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Uhuh, certainly. It's too bad that despite taking on the impossible task of looking through all your posts, I see no quotes period, let alone one that claims the poem is: A pat on the back dev giving the player a sense of accomplishment An in-game myth A metaphor Here are all your quotes. I...
  3. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    You know, the problem was the lack of proof. Such as claiming WoG without any actual quotes, when those that oppose you did give quotes. This is a claim without proof. Once again, the word metaphor is used twice: "It's dream as metaphor." "The next step, which is the one that interests me, is...
  4. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    But... that wasn't an argument, it was a baseless claim. It claims the WoG states its a metaphor and a myth even in-game. And yet, it cannot bother to give even one quote, because it would fall apart if it did. I did give quotes for the opposite too. How can you possibly argue its meant...
  5. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Did you... miss everything above that comment? Like, where I say "at least try to argue back", and I'm told "I already did, but I won't copy paste it because I can't be bothered." I put an argument forward, and was told my argument was actually countered seemingly unknownst to me, so many pages...
  6. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Can I please get the "forth" to my argument? It's one thing to not agree, another that a side doesn't get an answer. And I don't believe pressing F3 and spending all of 60 seconds to find the argument you put forward is this herculean feat. Seriously, just... give me an argument? Already...
  7. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    The poem states otherwise. it outright states that the player is the universe that is observing itself, and that there is no such thing as the "not I" because all things are one, and separation is an illusion. Both the real world and Minecraft are "dreams", metaphorically in that they are...
  8. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Then please just quote them. It's not that I'm ignoring the counters, I do not see them anywhere. Okay, so, you said it's purely metaphor. I said the writer specifies the word dream is a metaphor, and asked where you get everything else being a metaphor comes from. So, what was the argument...
  9. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    A debate isn't a one sided conversation. That's a lecture. You make a claim, and I counter it. You should at least make a pretense of caring about arguments made against you by providing reasoning to why you disagree. Because the burden of proof is on you. You are claiming a piece of text...
  10. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Why would that be grounds of its own? Because you are mods, obviously. Because you don't need to prove others wrong, you just have to not be convinced in greater number than the once that are convinced. But, yes, my arguments did change. When the OP said its 1-C, I argued that all dreams are...
  11. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    So the arguments are... the same as before, wonderful. So here's the thing, give me the quotes then. If you want to claim that the poem was written with the intent of not being an ending to Minecraft but just a metaphor, give me a quote. Maybe you did and I missed it, then go through the pain...
  12. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Certainly. They do not apply here. They do here, they are stated to create whole universes just by thinking/dreaming them into existence, and such as with the bleak universe, they are destroyed if the player doesn't imagine them. There are several examples given in the poem. It isn't here. It...
  13. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Could you refer me to who claimed this before this comment? I saw "inconsistent", "misinterpreted", "pat on the back for the player", but not "it's a different media". It's a wrong argument though. Notch hired someone to write an ending, specifically looking for something obnoxiously long (I...
  14. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    To be honest, I don't see how this would apply. While he knows "embarrassingly little" compared to hardcore players, he has played the game. He even mentions if he was glad he didn't have to write about the origin of dragons but was left to do what he wished. While yes, it's widely out of...
  15. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    And for all other comments that say "WoG says it's fake", here's the response: The WoG does not say that. It was countered, several times. Firstly: As said above, over and over, being a metaphor does not mean something cannot be indexed. The story of Midas is about how money can't buy you...
  16. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Their dream is tier 2. Their true self views this dream as simply a fantasy they are having. Hence, their true self is above tier 2. Note that "affect, create or destroy" doesn't refer to a whole Low 1-C reality. The same way how an ant and a supernova are both 3-D, something that is simply...
  17. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    Oh, vague? Truly? This seemed pretty clear cut to me. Or maybe this? Yes, they are more subdle in the earlier parts of the poem, where green is about to tell you that you created the universe, but blue interrupts to say it in a less raw manner like this: But are you really going to tell me...
  18. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    That's still not an argument that stands on its legs. Consistency only comes into play if... well, it could be inconsistent. First of all, while Notch might not understand ontological, if you told him "the poem says the reader is the universe" he would most likely agree. Because that is not...
  19. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    I said I think it should only be Low 1-C because 1-C is based on claiming that one dream is more real than another, which is against what the poem says. The thing isn't too complicated. The universe exists, and is sentient. The universe is dreaming. These dreams are the real world, games...
  20. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    The Lorax is an animation of which the purpose is to be a metaphor for how capitalism and industrialism destroys the environment. It is still a fictional story in which an orange, furry creature exists. Being a metaphor means nothing against something getting a story. Worse is, what Bambu is...
  21. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    TL;DR: The End Poem claims the player is a self-observing universe that morphs in shape and laws from games to tales to our "reality" based on its own dreams. So, Low 1-C, or potentially even simply a 2-C/2-B with really jacked shapeshifting. Here, I decided to get some quotes to justify my...
  22. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    As I said before, the WoG does not have to mean the poem has to be thrown out. After thinking of it - yeah, I don't think it should be disregarded. The metaphor is how similar life can be to games, and how people interact with it. That does not make the poem mean only that. Firstly, it outright...
  23. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    The story mode goes into what is at the far ends of the world, where there's randomly generated chunks that act weird/glitched. I don't see how anyone would scale physically to that from there, but that holds no importance here since Story Mode not only establishes it's own rules, but is...
  24. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Minecraft Revisions (Tier 2 and up Edition)

    I guess I see both sides, but death of the author certainly doesn't apply here. The only way I can see this being taken at face value would be to assume the WoG means that the claims of the real world being mere dreams as much as the game is are metaphorical, but that "in-verse" they are meant...
  25. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Wang Lin Additions

    Bai Xiaochun made a sword become three times as big I believe, but yeah, they definitly manipulate size to some extent. Pretty sure they need the stuff to be refined or printed to be their own though.
  26. Ricsi-viragosi

    Some Wang Lin Additions

    Negating teleportation in general isn't rare. Though for Spatial and the Ascendant variant it seems to be done through disturbing space instead of just saying "no" to the power. Unfortunately, fusing with the world is not actually immeasurable in speed, as in the point of the story where Wang...
  27. Ricsi-viragosi

    Xianxia/Xuanhuan General Discussion: Junior, you dare?!

    The known width of the universe is 8.8 × 10^23 km (93.016 billion light years) wide, so... not really.
  28. Ricsi-viragosi

    MASSIVE Gravity Falls Upgrade

    Being described as a threat does not mean he would destroy all of it. Being a threat to something does not mean you can destroy it... And, at no point is weirdmageddon claimed to be on a Multiversal scale if the barrier were to go down. The opposite, Bill was stated to be searching for a...
  29. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    Wait, why 3-A? Time Baby made it rather clear that Bill Cipher causing a ruckus in the past was being a problem in his future as well, and if anyone's "fabric of reality" would grant Low 2-C, it's the ruler of time.
  30. Ricsi-viragosi

    Kaguya ETSO downgrade

    You wouldn't remove it regardless... it would simply be rated as environmental damage.
  31. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    Je was the one making the rift, he just needed the portal to cross that bridge. Which is why he has the tier for the rift.
  32. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    Eh. Its that big, size wise, but nothing tier related can be tied to it. I mean, I've still to see scans to why Bill would even scale to the nightmare realm.
  33. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    So, responding to Strym first. None of that means his body is Low 2-C, infinite power is something even a 10-C could claim if they had Low 2-C reality warping, and tampering with alternate realities is not 2-C without the tampering involving "destroy two or more at once". No, he mustn't...
  34. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    As I said, he uses "dimensional" for both spatial dimensions and universe-synonym. That's just a thing he does. However, just because he uses one meaning, doesn't mean he can't use another meaning later. (Crass, but I can say "that's pretty shit" to refer to something's quality, then say "that...
  35. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    F indeed. And, yeah, spatially. Though I don't think it scales with our tiering system, since being higher dimensional doesn't actually make you infinitely stronger than a lower D person, which is why we updated the wiki's standards to include needing proof of such a high superiority. Since...
  36. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    Yeah, hell of a year. At least now in summer, I'll be free more.
  37. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    His traveling in the multiverse is stated to be the reason he knows of them, but I fail to see how this affects things? He traveled to a 2D dimension just fine, I see no reason why he could not travel to a higher dimension as well. Pan-dimensional is saying that something is in all dimensions...
  38. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    Not sure what you specifically mean. The one about him being feared means little tier wise. And anything done in the nightmare realm is hardly scalable to the characters, because humans eating planets and all. that The time baby quote outright states that it is the rip in reality that will...
  39. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    Oh, that's fine. I haven't read the whole thread, so if anything I brought up has been answered/countered before just grab the scan from there and repost it.
  40. Ricsi-viragosi

    Bill Cipher and GF Cosmology Discussion

    To what I found scrolling up some: Could you give the source for this? This quote neither claims he'd collapse it, nor does it mean all 2-A multiverse. It's talking about our universe, with visuals about our universe. Nothing there implies 2-A scale, or destruction. The universe, yes. But...
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