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  1. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Sonic The Hedgehog Vs. Omega (Mega Man Zero)

    Yes. But even them it's obvious that time is linear. In Sonic Generations its even more clear because the events are told in the order they were released. Sonic Battle just seems like a weird spin-off that wasn't mean to fit the mainline chronology.
  2. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Sonic The Hedgehog Vs. Omega (Mega Man Zero)

    How so? Sonic Unleashed was released after Sonic Battle. And in Generations it is imply that the games have linear time (I.E: If x game was released in 2004 and y game was released in 2005. Then y takes place after x) and this is seen multiple times (Sonic Adventure 2 - Heroes - Shadow The...
  3. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Questions regarding Godoka and Akuma Homura

    So. I was rewatching Rebellion after seen the stats of both Godoka and Akuma Homura. and i have a couple of questions. I post them here because they could mean something for their stats. But anyway. Lets start. First of all. The "isolation field" incident: Anybody who watched the movie knows...
  4. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Undertale God Tier Speed Update

    You can't do no damage Asriel 2nd phase. The attacks are just too stretch to dodge them really. I don't think you can pass more than 1 turn. And he has to kill you in order to continue with the story (because after you died. You get stuck in the "struggle" par) similar on how. At least in the...
  5. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Sonic The Hedgehog Vs. Omega (Mega Man Zero)

    Just to point this out. How Emerl even being planet buster is consistent with the rest of the Sonic games? In Sonic Unleashed. Super Sonic had a bad time fighting Dark Gaia. Who is an explicit planet buster.
  6. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    His stats are certanly accurate.
  7. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    In fact no. The reason why Madoka is nigh omnipresence is because she is a concept. As it was debated here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/186055
  8. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    I didn't even think about this. Lmao. I don't know really. You should ask it in its own thread. Because that would also imply that both Flowey and Asriel are omnipresent and that's a considerable upgrade.
  9. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    That was in the kyubey's field so she was only a singular entity there Yes. I know. That why i pointed that Madoka's "omnipresence" isn't even unavoidable. If Madoka is a space where the Law of Cycles has no influence lose that so called "omnipresence" What would happen, for example. If...
  10. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Statement that is contradicted in Rebellion.
  11. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Obviously. She appears to prevent Puella Magi from transform into witches. But again. That's not omnipresence. Again. If she was in the future or if her omnipresence was unavoidable then Homura could never touch Madoka.
  12. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Homura only warp reality the same way as Madoka did. No more. I think she couldn't even erase the world's curses.
  13. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    I feel really akward right now...
  14. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Both Undyne and Sans pose a threat to Chara. Sans in fact (Semi-canonically but hey) took Chara by surprise the first time. Although i think that Chara is only considered a concept when its at her absolute state. EDIT: Nevermind. Azathoth already answered that.
  15. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    I think you're reffering to Homura, Madoka has already been stated and shown to exist in all timelines, everywhere even in conceptual space that doesn't actually exist (the space where she, Sayaka and Nagisa and all the erased witches went to after she carried them away and "saved' them)...
  16. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Still. That would mean that her omnipresence is limited to space and does not apply to time at the very least. One can see Madoka scream and beg Homura to stop. So its obvious that she didn't expect that. One could argue that Madoka couldn't simply realize what was going to happen because of...
  17. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Madoka is omnipresent because she is a concept. Nothing less. That's why Azathoth is implying that if Madoka can be nigh omnipresent Chara should be aswell.
  18. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    That example wasn't valid before and still isn't valid. For the simple reason that you are trying to compare "rewrite" with "erase" which are to different things. The fact that Madoka and Homura could rewrite the multiverse isn't equivalent that they could erase it. Following your example...
  19. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Do i seriously need to keep telling you why reality warp something is not the same what Chara, Flowey and Asriel did? Also. Mathematically that doesn't make any sense. Infinite x 2000 is still infinite. The same way as infinite x 3000 is still infinite. You can't use mathematics problems to...
  20. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    I know Madoka's feats. I know that she erased every witch in an infinite multiverse. But here is the trick. Again. That's a great showing of two things: 1.-Reality warping 2.-Range of action But it's not a great feat destructive wise as: 1.-Destroy a reality with numerous timelines. Get it...
  21. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Frisk runs the gauntlet

    Genocide Frisk has even LESS chances of clearing this.
  22. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Frisk runs the gauntlet

    Neutral Frisk has even less chance of clearing this.
  23. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    And again. You are trying to make up arguments that i never said. I was asking was, and i quote "You are still avoiding my question. I asked. why bend reality to a multiversal level would be equivalent to Attack Potency. I understeand exactly where are you trying to get. But still you are just...
  24. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Again. What kind of falacy is that? This thread was never about Chara being High 2-A. In fact i never actually implied that. I seriously don't know how your imagination can go so wild in a few comments. But accusing me of using an argument that i didn't even implied seems very off.
  25. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Frisk runs the gauntlet

    Lose at 1 because he refuses to fight.
  26. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    The recent Undertale patch changed some characters' stats

    How can the difference between stats be so low. Then? assuming that Undyne is far more than city level but Undying is multiversal. Are stats not linear?
  27. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    What kind of strawman argument is that? i didn't say that Chara is High 2-A. In fact i wasn't even asking why Madoka is High 2-A. Please. Read my comments again.
  28. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    The recent Undertale patch changed some characters' stats

    I have a doubt. But first i need to ask. What are the stats of Undyne (normal) and Undyne The Undying?
  29. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Yes.But again. What Chara did was to destroyed them. What Madoka did was to warp them. See what i'm getting at? Madoka didn't destroy infinite universes. So why her attack potency would be infinite?
  30. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Ah, one universe you say? then lets use a little trick than i learned in this thread. Attack Potency: Likely Multiverse level (Destroyed reality/the game itself, which contained countless timelines. While the exact number is unknown, the sheer number of resets performed by characters such as...
  31. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    You are still avoiding my question. I asked. why bend reality to a multiversal level would be equivalent to Attack Potency. I understeand exactly where are you trying to get. But still you are just avoiding to answer me that. Why, if Madoka never showed it before. Would she had more Attack...
  32. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Ehm. No. To block Madoka's influence you only need a point in space where the Law of Cycles can't enter. As Kyubey tried to do in movie 3. Although he failed.
  33. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Yes. But the problem with your example is that Madoka didn't erase the multiverse using reality warp. She changed the basic laws of the same using her goddess powers. Its not by any means the same and is clearly not attack potency
  34. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    You didn't answer my question. You just copy that again. Madoka changed infinite universes. Yet she didn't destroy them or show how much it would require for her to do se. What i'm trying to say is that why a feat that consist in warp reality would instantly traslate into attack potency.
  35. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Still. I will question again. How is that more impressive attack potency-wise? How is warp reality an equivalent to erase it entirely? Also. Madoka didn't destroy the concept of Witch. She just wished that no magical girl would turn into a witch. If Madoka "really" destroyed the concept of...
  36. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    Then how is that more impressive attack potency-wise?
  37. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname (PMMM) VS Asriel Dreemurr (Undertale)

    I'm going to ask. We are giving Madoka an attack potency of High Multiverse because she killed the concept of witch in infinite universes?
  38. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Madoka Kaname(Goddess Madoka) VS Chara(True Chara)

    I love how know Madoka's thread are about saying "She is 2-A now. So she wins" Not like i'm not saying she do not win this. But seriously. Start debating and show feats instead just linking the profile.
  39. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Kirito vs Kylo Ren

    Darth Cadeus both rounds.
  40. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Bill Cipher (Physical Form) VS Mister Mxyzptlk

    Could go either way tbh.
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