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  1. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Actually no. There is some things that actually suggets that Genocide requires a lot of Determination. The first and greatest example of this is the fact that, meanwhile Frisk in order to stay determined needs a reason or something that fills him (Even if are really little things) Chara needs...
  2. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    You don't seem to read what i'm saying. Determination, once more, isn't statical. One being can have more or less depending on the circunstances. The prime example of this is Frisk who in some scenarios isn't capable of fighting par against Photoshop Flowey but in others is the only being...
  3. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Determination isn't a statical thing. It can go up or down depending on how determined the user is. Clear example of this is that neutral Frisk is completly incapable of surpass Flowey's determination with the six souls. Meanwhile pacifist Frisk (Who has more reasons to fight and to stay...
  4. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    What "file addtion" are you talking about? i do not comprehend.
  5. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara and Flowey

    I've never contradict the fact that Flowey was toying with Frisk. Which also doesn't invalidate any of my arguments. Also, Determination doesn't "overpowers LOVE" (i don't even know what you are trying to infer with that) Mostly because Undyne ended up dying. Determination only helped her to...
  6. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara and Flowey

    1.-Chara destroyed the reality of the game. Casually. 2.-Chara did it too, and it was stated to be even worse (See above) 3.-(See above) 4.-Irrelevant. Frisk only had one and she still hold her own against Asriel, even if it was only a fraction of his power. And even after using his true...
  7. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara and Flowey

    What are you refering with "Her"? Frisk? You should know that by the time that Frisk falls to the Underground, all the souls are dead. So the only contests is between him and Flowey. Also, Frisk wasn't exactly at her best against Flowey considering the circunstances. And Chara not only relies in...
  8. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara and Flowey

    That's not how arguments works. If Flowey destroyed the world we need something that proves it. Not the other way around. Also, again, it was never stated that the void where they fight is the same void that we see at the end of geno run. Since, well, while we are there we can see Flowey destroy...
  9. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara and Flowey

    As i was debating with Azathoth in the other thread. The only reason why Photoshop Flowey is considered stronger than Chara is because Flowey himself states, at the beggining of the route. That his plan (steal the six souls) would make him stronger than Chara's plan. But, as i was saying there...
  10. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Frisk is a very special human for what she ended up be. Yes. Certanly she is different since she could outlast every other human that came to the Underground. With that said. I don't remember Vanilla Flowey's determination be "considerably high" compared to any other human. In fact, again, i...
  11. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Shiki Ryougi vs Anai Miu

    This is a complete stomp in Anai's favor. MEoDP are one of the greatest hax out there. But it's useless if you can't land a single blow on the enemy.
  12. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    It is obvious that Flowey existence should be, at the very least. After a couple of humans fell in the underground. But even then. I don't really think it would make such a big deal of Frisk arriving in the Underground. Although there is the possibility of the other humans simply were incapable...
  13. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Shin Megami Tensei Discussion thread

    I'm fairly sure that Mettato is NOT omnipresent. (Couldn't resist)
  14. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Far as i know, or at least from what i understeand from the True Lab. Flowey's existence was after the six humans fall to the underground, but before Frisk fall in. Therefore, since the six humans were long dead there wasn't really anyone with determination that could override Flowey's. But...
  15. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Again. This argument is not really that solid. Vanilla Flowey couldn't resist a True Reset. But we don't know how Photoshop Flowey (Much less Asriel) will react to a True Reset. Or if it would be even possible to perform a True Reset with those two in existence. So this is basically a highly...
  16. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    You are not wrong. Flowey is a souless being that has been forced the will to live in him. I was not saying that concepts like LOVE and Determination are strange or non-existent for him. I was saying that, since he is a being without a real soul, but a will to live that has been forced to him...
  17. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Yes. But Flowey is a souless being. Therefore he lacks of a SOUL to know how it strenghts towards LOVE and Determination(Which is, after all. The power of a SOUL). He probably had somewhat an idea of how powerful Chara would ended up be and that's where get the impression of the Six Soul being...
  18. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    I specifically want to debate this. But before. I want to make an advise and is that i can be somehow bias towards Chara. But i think this is worth debate for and, well, that's what we do here, right? debate. After all. Let's start with this. Yes. Flowey mentions that his plan of steal the...
  19. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    He didn't. Omega Flowey never destroyed the world. It is never described. The only time this happens is, again. Against Asriel and at the end of geno run. Also. Photoshop Flowey, unlike Asriel, wasn't destroying the world with his mere presence.
  20. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Again. Omega Flowey game busting feat isn't the same as Asriel's world erasing feat. You could say that he corrupted reality and break it. But erased it? Only two people did that in-screen. Chara and Asriel.
  21. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    What? what are you talking about, people? Chara didn't cut us from Undertale. Chara ERASED Undertale.
  22. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    lol? are people debating if Chara's final attack was against the player? ehhh...No. That animation it's not meant to represent Chara killing the player. It's meant to represent Chara erasing the world.
  23. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    The "world" is mentioned in two instances. At the end of the genocide route by Chara("Let us erase this pointless world") and against Asriel ("The world is ending") Also. Frisk's determination has nothing to do with the player being denied access to the game. She only revives everytime she dies.
  24. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    That...Don't make a lot of sense. I mean. Asriel, without any "game busting" feat is destroying the world with his mere existence. Yet the game never crashes nor it corrupts.
  25. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Nobody is talking about the game busting. We are talking about the world busting feat. Also. I'm honestly havinga bad time thinking that Chara REALLY took the player's soul and not Frisk's soul. Specially because i have my soul right here. (or that's what i think)
  26. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Asriel is Flowey. So if you erase Flowey's memories there is no way Asriel would know.
  27. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Flowey didn't do that statement with the knowledge of how strong Chara would ended up be. Granted, Chara never actually fight someone with the Six Souls. But she DID do something that only Asriel was capable. And that was erasing "The World" (and specifically the world) casually.
  28. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Neither Asriel nor Photoshop Flowey were present when Frisk tried his True Reset. Only vanilla Flowey. So it is speculative to say that the influence of both would be erase.
  29. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    I'm actually curious. Where it is outright stated that Chara is lower than Photoshop Flowey?
  30. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Regarding Chara's Tiering.

    Flowey can't "Reset his memories willingy" you force a true reset since Flowey is not willing to do the same again. And since you reset to return everything to its original state. You NEED to erase his memories.
  31. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Jimmy Hopkins vs Yandere-Chan

    That doesn't contradict any of what i've already said. Jimmy has better durability and better weapons to fight against someone who can put a fight. It's not an easy win. But he still has the advantage.
  32. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Jimmy Hopkins vs Yandere-Chan

    I was specifically refering to the syringe. But even then. Jimmy still has the advantage if Yandere chan uses her knife. Honestly the only real threat that i can see is if she uses her katana. Jimmy has better range with the rest of his items.
  33. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Jimmy Hopkins vs Yandere-Chan

    Sorry to break ti you x2. But with a baseball bat you can knock out someone before they can even get close to you. Also. As said before Jimmy has far better durability. So even if Yandere-chan can strike first it is unlikely that it would knock him out in one-shot.
  34. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Jimmy Hopkins vs Yandere-Chan

    Sorry to break it to you. But a baseball bat > screwdriver, box cutter, scissors, syringe, circular saw and maybe even knife.
  35. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Jimmy Hopkins vs Yandere-Chan

    >Implying Yandere-chan is not ALWAYS bloodlusted lol.
  36. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Bill Ciper vs Sans

    I know. That was the joke.
  37. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Bill Ciper vs Sans

    The one with the glowing eye.
  38. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Beerus vs Sans

    KR is an effect that Sans attacks have. Which poison the soul of the enemy. Beerus has no way to redirect that. Also. I should remember you that everytime the timeline is RESETed or LOADed everything is set to zero. So even if Sans killed Chara a hundred times he only killed her "once" (Well. In...
  39. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Doctor Fate VS Doctor Strange

    I don't get it. Its this suposse to be composite versions of both Fate and Strange?
  40. Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand

    Beerus vs Sans

    Kinda of...But it's not really relevant to the thread. As it was stated before. The fight would end quickly whoever wins. So, Beerus wouldn't even need to use his strongest tecniques since he would already killed Sans with normal attacks.
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