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  1. Yvel_Atsly

    Shin Megami Tensei CRT: Four Devas Downgrade

    The barrier in SMT 1 was to stop YHVH from flooding the Earth IIRC.. And affecting any significant part of the Expanse is still Low 1-C either way and they still obviously scale to those parts. Even i myself and many others agreed they don't neccesarily scale to 100%. But to a notable one
  2. Yvel_Atsly

    Shin Megami Tensei CRT: Four Devas Downgrade

    You can't just say i didn't show any proof each time. I showed that they can stop the Expanse from passively doing something it does well.. passively. Explain to me how doing said feat somehow isn't significant
  3. Yvel_Atsly

    Shin Megami Tensei CRT: Four Devas Downgrade

    She literally said it's a wall of their strength. If they have the power to stop a Low 1-C structure from doing whatever it does passively by literally just exerting passive energy by existing how would they not punch with the same force? And why would not we not assume the entire Expanse is...
  4. Yvel_Atsly

    Shin Megami Tensei CRT: Four Devas Downgrade

    1. Kings being only random encounter demons is false. The Kings were bosses in Nocturne and Apocalypse so they have relevancy outside of Devil Survivor. (Plus they were even sub bosses in other games like IV and Strange Journey) 2. C'mon man. DC is a franchise with over dozens of different...
  5. Yvel_Atsly

    Shin Megami Tensei CRT: Four Devas Downgrade

    Hold on, i have some stuff to type up
  6. Yvel_Atsly

    Again, it's just upgrading the structure of the cosmology which everyone scales off of. I don't...

    Again, it's just upgrading the structure of the cosmology which everyone scales off of. I don't care what they say at the moment
  7. Yvel_Atsly

    Excuse me but can you also open SMT profiles for upgrading? Like all that are currently 2-A and...

    Excuse me but can you also open SMT profiles for upgrading? Like all that are currently 2-A and above when you have the time?
  8. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    I told you both. Deva scaling don't affect the Expanse being Low 1-C.
  9. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    I understand if it's your perspective that you see it as faulty but as Paul Frank said even if i didn't bring up the scaling for the verse on this it would apply either way cause it's simply upgrading the size of the cosmology which everyone scales to and buffs the scaling chain as a byproduct...
  10. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Well we got 7 to 8 votes so we can close this, but probably after we surely open up and upgrade each up profile
  11. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Honestly are there enough votes to apply the upgrades?
  12. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    The scaling isn't the point of the thread. Just a byproduct. If it's settled then save the scaling for a different thread and close this one
  13. Yvel_Atsly

    May we please have input here...

    May we please have input here; https://vsbattles.com/threads/smt-upgrades-part-1-low-1-c-boost-to-infinity-and-beyond.107931/ Sorry about this but we really need some more votes
  14. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Is there even a point to talking anymore? We're just recycling the same things over and over again. This is why i would just wait to hear different opinions..
  15. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    It's clarified to be a "wall of power" by Amane and is sustained by their power. Abel and the cast literally have to kill the Devas so that the barrier weakens demon world can actually affect the human one
  16. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Yes it does. You guys keep saying the Expanse statement used purely for time warping even Stephen says the structure itself is above time and said character dosen't need any extensions to warp time. Either actually adress that or leave the point alone. And again, outside is not transcend. That...
  17. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    And you should go back see that i've said Stephen dosen't need the Expanse for time warping at 25.
  18. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    How is it time travel if Stephen specifically notes the place itself is transcendent over time, Darksmash? Properely address that. Also do you have anything else to say? Otherwise i'll count your vote as an agree for the thread @Egernago
  19. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Transcend does mean something but you keep relating it a hyperbole or some other word. And i specifically mean transcend in the context of being beyond the limits of something. Not simply surpass, not be above
  20. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    (To Smash cause this comment came late) You are literally the one saying dimensional levels can only be accessed by a specific type of proof and another proof that is not said specific proof is automatically wrong.
  21. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    I know. They are levels of infinity but they don't have to explicity state infinitely above each and every time. Stop treating that way of higher dimensional access as the only possible way of getting it
  22. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Stop bringing up Attack on Titan. I don't know what that coordinate is or how it works and you haven't explained it. And Stephen says "a place" for saying transcending as he's very clearly referring the structure itself. And this case of referring to something physical he's saying the Expanse...
  23. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    The Expanse is a bit different each time around but it's still the same general thing like all demons. And we literally used DLC to scale characters all the time on this site. So saying this one is somehow different would be arbitrary
  24. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    That's derailment cause that's not the point of the thread
  25. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    The scaling chain is just a byproduct of the current scaling and we already have the Expanse's dimensional level. What is there to discuss?
  26. Yvel_Atsly

    Persona General Revisions Part 1: Tiers and General Statistics

    Haven't you already gone through his arguments more than a thousand times though? And ooh, right.
  27. Yvel_Atsly

    Persona General Revisions Part 1: Tiers and General Statistics

    So can we start with the upgrades or?
  28. Yvel_Atsly

    Persona General Revisions Part 1: Tiers and General Statistics

    If you have enough people to upgrade you should instead of going around in circles with Matthew. That's what i reccomend
  29. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Sigh. I'm just going to wait for more people since we're at an impass right now
  30. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    He's not trying to force you to downgrade. He's telling you to make your own CRT about the Devas if you feel that strongly and stop derailing my thread. Cause that's not how things are supposed to be done When did i ever say they scaled to it 100%? I said to scale to an extent. And again either...
  31. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    You're addressing a point which isn't actually relevant to what i'm saying cause i've already addressed why scale dosen't matter. Either address my actual point or concede
  32. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    No. I said cause being able to signicantly affect the space which transcends all points in time is Low 1-C. Do not put words in my mouth. Matthew Schroeder
  33. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    Hrm? You misunderstand what i mean. I'm not saying the demon world is the human world but pointing it's a multiversal construct
  34. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    No. You need to address how stopping a multiversal structure somehow dosen't make the feat multiversal
  35. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    And the structure is multiversal so the area of effect is irrelevant. As i've explained to Matt before. You should try addressing that
  36. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    The Expanse currently has 2-As as smaller part of it. This is what i mean. Stop saying that. Low 2-C is a lowball. Is there any to lock this board until more people come or something? @Ant
  37. Yvel_Atsly

    SMT Upgrades Part 1: Low 1-C Boost to infinity and beyond

    I mean a 2-A verse isn't just Low 2-C. And "beyond the limits and beyond the scope of" and "outside" of something are quite different. And Matt i literally had to explain to you profile scaling that you could've checked for yourself but whatever. And infinite statements and stuff are nice but...
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