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  1. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Sure. I'll see if I can cook something up for you. Sorry if that was a pain to get across. I'm just trying to make sure we're all on the same page. It sounds like those arguments get you pretty exhausted. I hope you're alright. Not to lose the train of thought, but sometimes I worry about you...
  2. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Well, if such a thing must be implimented, then can I at least suggest we use more passive and detatched language than we appear to be using thus far? I've noticed Hal Jorda has this listed among his Post-Crisis feats: "(Outlier and PIS) Hal Jordan one-shots Krona who absorbed all the Emotional...
  3. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    I believe Firestorm's feat timeline project already sort of handles that, provided he adds the debunked feats to his list (along with the reasoning behind the debunk), and that blog is already linked on Hal Jordan's page. I understand the headaches that might be caused by not listing all...
  4. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    I think it might be in poor taste to make an extensive list of debunked feats at the bottom of a character's page. One or two notable misconceptions is fine, but once the list gets any longer than that, it really starts to look like you're saying "lol, this character isn't that strong. All those...
  5. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Fair enough. We can put the thread on pause for now.
  6. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Hm, not a bad point. Sorry. I'd just been meaning to get to this thread for a while, and the date slipped past me. Would it be better if we put a pin in this until later?
  7. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Well, I'd be happy to apply the necessary revisions as soon as Ant gives the okay.
  8. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    With the forum move and all, this isn't exactly a bad time to apply changes, but I would need Ant's permission first.
  9. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    @Ant: If nothing else, we can certainly apply the hax, abilities, etc that LordTracer has presented. He did a good job finding all that stuff.
  10. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Well, like I said, I would like a closer look at The Guardians before using that as any sort of justification in Hal Jordan's profile. I'm not exactly sold on them being 2-C either, and without a more in-depth analysis, they just seem vaguely powerful and relatively inconsistent to me. (Which to...
  11. ClassicNESfan

    Big Hal Jordan Revision

    Sorry. I only just got around to reading this thread. My thoughts are basically as follows: LordTracer's proposals regarding additional powers and abilities are beautiful. Seriously. Phenomenal job. I see no problems there. His speed revisions are also nice. It's always good to see more...
  12. ClassicNESfan

    DC Cosmology: Possibly Massive Upgrade(s) based on POTM's Blog

    Thanks. That's very generous of you. Should I make the changes after I've finished the necessary reading then?
  13. ClassicNESfan

    DC Cosmology: Possibly Massive Upgrade(s) based on POTM's Blog

    Timothy Hunter's page definitely needs to be revised. He qualifies for 1-A at the height of his power. I can write the necessary justifications, but he probably also needs some more all-encompassing revisions in addition to that. Would you like me to handle the tier change now and focus on the...
  14. ClassicNESfan

    Son Goku Vs Flash (Barry Allen) (Post-Crisis)

    The Flash is faster. Whis's listed speed calc is specifically the fastest he has ever gone. Beerus scales to 3/4 the speed of a much more casual Whis, and Goku scales to a very casual Beerus. Conversely, The Flash scales far above the Green Lantern feat linked on his profile, and that feat is...
  15. ClassicNESfan

    Some Misconceptions About Death of the Endless

    They do not. The points Sandman was clarifying are already in place. FaMaGo was just proposing revisions, and I agree with the decision to reject them.
  16. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Okay. Well, it looks like we're approaching something resembling a compromise. There are not enough key members in agreement to pass Low 1-A Rune King Thor. That's not going to happen. But if everybody is willing to cooperate, we might be able to squeeze out a 2-A, Possibly Low 1-C upgrade...
  17. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    (Sorry. Fixed it.)
  18. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Driger I don't think those statements are adequate to prove what you are looking for, but more to the point, I also don't think that this is the right time to be discussing upgrades for Odi, Surtur, etc either. Rune King Thor should really be our primary concern here, not other Skyfathers...
  19. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Superman punching The World Forger had nothing to do with higher realms. I was involved in reviewing that upgrade, and I can personally vouch that higher realms were completely irrelevant to what happened in that thread. And The New Gods were upgraded for existing in higher realms, but there's...
  20. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Ant: Sure. I'd be willing to compromise to that.
  21. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I think that it would be easier to upgrade him and the Destroyer armor's third key, because they technically scale to a Celestial, but I'm not strictly opposed to Ant's suggested justification.
  22. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    The Skyfather upgrade was rejected for many more reasons than a few Jane Foster outliers, that scan you've provided is not adequate evidence that Odi has been recently nerfed, and the extent of Yggdrasil's size has been discussed in full- including its existence in other realms and whether or...
  23. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I just do not agree with their interpretation of those scans. They are, again, rehashes of arguments we have been having on this thread for months now. One of the points Driger posted was literally a restatement of an argument from the very first Yggdrasil thread, and the arguments calling for...
  24. ClassicNESfan

    Superman can't destroy a planet

    Eh, close enough.
  25. ClassicNESfan

    Superman can't destroy a planet

    Guys, this was an April Fools thread. We should really close things down here.
  26. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    The simple answer is that I and many other people on this thread do not believe that Yggdrasil has the appropriate feats to scale it to 2-A. Everybody is aware of the points you have brought up, but many of us take a different meaning away from those scans than you do. It has been discussed at...
  27. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Thank you. :)
  28. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I'd be willing to compromise in rating Rune King Thor as 2-A via the following method: Defeated Those Who Sit Above In Shadow, who were presumably far more powerful than Odin's Desroyer Armor. But the upgrade would require The Destroyer's At Least 2-C key to be changed to 2-A. The current...
  29. ClassicNESfan

    Whis vs Odin

    Odin is significantly faster than Whis with body movements alone, and some of his hax is nearly instant. If you unequalize it, he'll speed blitz.
  30. ClassicNESfan

    Whis vs Odin

    Odin should take this with little difficulty.
  31. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    In fact, on that note, I'm probably going to be skipping out for a while. I'm struggling to type coherently right now. I just basically wanted to drop in and restate "Yeah, nothing they've said here has changed my mind. Keep me in the Disagree pile. If you're looking for an upgrade at any cost...
  32. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I have provided evidence in the past. If you want it, please read back through the previous threads. I am not interested in rehashing things I said months ago that were largely ignored by the opposition. I have heard your arguments. I disagree with them. I am not well enough to write you a...
  33. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    And thank you for your sentiments. :)
  34. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Ant In my honest opinion, Rune King Thor is probably due for a Likely Higher qualifier to his key, given that Those Who Sit Above In Shadow were incapable of stopping him. Those five were regarded by the Asgardians in the same way the Asgardians were regarded by the Norse, and that says a lot...
  35. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I disagree. I have seen no adequate proof for Those Who Sit Above In Shadow scaling above abstract beings, and the infinite universe statements for Yggdrasil have been debunked for months now. I read those storylines in their entirety, and I do not believe in the slightest that they were...
  36. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Yggdrasil has almost exclusively 2-C statements. As far as I can tell, literally every 2-A, Low 1-C, and Low 1-A statement presented to us throughout this process has been out of context or misinterpreted, except for one, which was a passing comment in an interview that seemingly contradicted...
  37. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    ...I can see one possible minor upgrade that I'd be willing to pose in good faith, but I doubt it will be considered adequate by the group looking for a much more hefty change. It might just be wiser to discard the topic. I don't think we're getting anywhere.
  38. ClassicNESfan

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Well, what is the standard protocol for an impasse?
  39. ClassicNESfan

    Thor "Possibly 2-C" Upgrade, and some other stuff

    Go ahead.
  40. ClassicNESfan

    Thor "Possibly 2-C" Upgrade, and some other stuff

    I have completed the necessary edits.
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