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  1. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    But here's the thing. This is what Jungian Archetypes do, the things that are based off them are fundamentally different due to them being interpreted differently from the stuff that partakes into them (hence why it's "subjective"), reason why they appear as very different between different...
  2. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    He says that the meaning of butterscoth and yellow for him are as worthless as the meaning of life, he doesn't deny their existence, just that he finds those useless like the laws.
  3. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    This is Concept NPI tho, as already listed in the profile. He literally claimed that "meaning has no meaning" due to Weirdmageddon effects, which would make sense narratively due to him planning to free the multiverse from all laws, logic and restrictions, massively warping reality as result...
  4. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Oh btw, about this, he didn't literally say that chestnuts are without meaning, he reffered the meanings of yellow and butterscotch as chestnuts, not that the fruit is literally without a meaning lol.
  5. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    This is objectively not the same, you cannot say that death has a taste. Not to mention that Bill describes all concepts as having one: Your QUESTION IS FLAWED, JACK! You can't just scoop a noun out of a pile and ask what it's "meaning" is. Meaning is determined by conscious judgement, not...
  6. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    I mean, yes. Bill also knows what causality is but doesn't mean that he finds it worth of something. Same applies here.
  7. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    He literally is tasting the meaning of life, as already accepted in the profile rn: Non-Physical Interaction (Showcased to interact with other Mindscape beings multiple times.[1][5] Claimed to have tasted the concept of life. which he adds that it tastes like "Uracil Cytocine and Thymine",[3]...
  8. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    I hope you do realize this is the same Bill who lacks causality and laws, and cannot comprehend their existence, of course he wouldn't find a meaning in either, because he's outside of them. Bill claims that life is meaningless because he technically isn't even human, so he wouldn't even get...
  9. StrymULTRA

    The sequel https://vsbattles.com/threads/bill-cipher-hax-and-speed-upgrades.168869/

    The sequel https://vsbattles.com/threads/bill-cipher-hax-and-speed-upgrades.168869/
  10. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Being different =/= Being not above it. Jungian Archetypes, as said, are a fundamentally way simplier version of the concepts that are defined from them, due to them being just the basic structures that are the foundation of those, hence why they're different. We do not need to be spoonfed...
  11. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    He explains it being something that is determined from the consciousness, which does not exist in the universe. This is a literal reference to Jungian stuff. It being different from function, definition, and purpose does not mean it's not governing over them, given that it's still the basis of...
  12. StrymULTRA

    All-purpose request thread (New forum)

    Both of them will receive new stuff after the CRTs going on, so better not.
  13. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    You know what? Fine, I'll concede for now as I do not find direct statements for speed increases here, nor other infinite speed feats.
  14. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Meanings are concepts in-verse, not that he manipulates the concept of meaning lol.
  15. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Well... idk if that helps, however... as already said in his profile in the speed part, Stanford would be MFTL+ if he accepts Bill's powers, due to the Galaxy size he'd get. Bill's scales above that due to his Power Bestowal granting larger size, as even shown here where he turns himself and his...
  16. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Do we? I am sure as hell that we do, given that all the stats are powered up from it. I am talking about the BoG feat, which is immensely faster than anything before, even with the stacked multipliers that were used in DBZ, not the multipliers that were used. It's mostly off the fact that he...
  17. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    But Bill has no 3D hax. Plus having HDE does not mean your hax is that dimensionality.
  18. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Goku. I mean, Bill's powers are empowered by the minute from the thing. It's blatant UES stuff going on here.
  19. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    It's literally one of the main examples here.
  20. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    Just because it isn't said it doesn't mean it's not. We don't need to spoonfeed everything.
  21. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Infinite speed comes from Bill having the same source as the Rift, which can destroy everything with an explosion that visibly crosses everything, it's not just off destroying the stuff. It's why Goku is MFTL+ after all, he should be comparable to the Ki Waves that destroy the universe.
  22. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Considering the previous upgrade, I decided to make this second one for Bill Cipher, as I think that after his tiering, we can how talk about other factors. Hax The first thing is the abilities of Bill, given that there are some important stuff I'd like to talk. I made a prettier P&A section...
  23. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    I've read "is not moral" fsr...,.,.,.
  24. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    ...what?
  25. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    So affecting a 12D universe is 3D hax?
  26. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    Man you're the one who keeps spamming "Bill's hax is all 3D because I say so, and affecting the cosmology isn't a valid reason because I don't want to". You're getting pretty spammy and toxic, so better stop, thanks.
  27. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    You talk like you know the verse better than the supporters...
  28. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    Soon will be.
  29. StrymULTRA

    Wrong message wall?

    Wrong message wall?
  30. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    Then this fight is invalid lmfao. Nvm ig.
  31. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    Is the AE 1 on 12-D level?
  32. StrymULTRA

    DEATH BATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 10, The more things change, the more they stay the same]

    That sounds cool, but what would the benefits be?
  33. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher HDE?

    I think this should be fine as justification: Higher-Dimensional Existence through Dimensional Manipulation (Up to 12-D. Implied to be capable of ascending to higher dimensions, due to him describing being 2-Dimensional as more limitating than chains[7] and having become 3-Dimensional after...
  34. StrymULTRA

    Fixing the inconsistencies of Dragon Ball Games

    Bump
  35. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    3D hax Based on the same energy source that affects the whole cosmology Keep repeating and spamming buddy, if you don't like Bill having 12D hax, make a downgrade thread.
  36. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Zeno

    No.
  37. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    24 hours bro.
  38. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Zeno

    Ok, so... Zeno's 1st action is to erase either Bill or the Cosmology. The issue however is this: Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Type 5; History - Zen'ō is able to erase the entirety of the multiverse, which includes the World of Void and Subspace, which are nonexistent) Zeno...
  39. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    Bill FRA, btw. The arguments for Yan Sen don't seem to be enough.
  40. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    We were talking about the HDE tbh.
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