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  1. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Tbh the reason for him having Type 4 Acausality is this: Bill lived in and made Nightmare Realm his new home[4] which is not only described as a place that lacks laws[4] such as physics[4] or causality[6], but also implied to be outside time[3] due to it being a dimension between dimensions...
  2. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    ...do you even know why I made this claim? The Nightmare Realm is explicitly said to lack all of these. How so?
  3. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)

    ...you can't even get that is a quote from Bill?
  4. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Are you fine with keeping it as NPI on Concept Type 2 for Mindscape then?
  5. StrymULTRA

    It's a feat for EE than an anti feat for Bill

    It's a feat for EE than an anti feat for Bill
  6. StrymULTRA

    It's more off irl lightnings having 0.3 Tons of energy minimum, so the lightning attack has to...

    It's more off irl lightnings having 0.3 Tons of energy minimum, so the lightning attack has to be fired from a character that strong at least.
  7. StrymULTRA

    It should be MHS+ yea, buy this wiki is absurdly biased to the point they warped standards with...

    It should be MHS+ yea, buy this wiki is absurdly biased to the point they warped standards with this "you have to be 8-C minimum" nonsense to prevent UT from getting it.
  8. StrymULTRA

    God above Bill Cipher in terms of power?

    Anymore*
  9. StrymULTRA

    Versus Match-up Addition Requests Thread (New forum)

    Bill Cipher inconned with Caine in this thread Speed was equalized, Mindscape Bill was used, and the battle took place in the Digital Circus
  10. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    So... Are you fine with Infinite Attack Speed at least?
  11. StrymULTRA

    Speed Downgrade for Unicron

    No.
  12. StrymULTRA

    Speed Downgrade for Unicron

    Being faster than time means being faster than light, so that isn't a real argument tbh.
  13. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    That's what @ShionAH said. I admit he's exaggerating, but that's concept NPI as already said in profile so...
  14. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    I think he's talking in general rather than just existing in a specific universe. Actually not, the scale which a concept is used isn't really relevant for its type.
  15. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    What? Why wouldn't it be? Yes I am. Plus other than Bill eating it, the Weirdmageddon (which was affecting the whole cosmology), said that "Meaning has no Meaning", implying he'd affecting said concepts.
  16. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    I suppose Type 2 kinda of works, ig? Given the "universe" is literally just one of the many infinite others in the verse, so heh.
  17. StrymULTRA

    The Oppai King vs. Goku (Mid)

    Misleading title, God (Mid) is from Namek to Cell Games saga smh...
  18. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Wait really? I always though of Type 2 as "if you blow up the universe, the concept ends too".
  19. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Well... I too am a bit unsure of it, I just assumed that being outside of reality means being independent given that if the universe explodes, the concept would still be fine, no?
  20. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Because he naturally is devoid of these things, similar to how NR itself is Aca 4. Him not being frozen solid when he gets transmuted.
  21. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Bill basically explains that for him, the meaning of concepts is something that isn't present in the physical universe, and is determined by conscious judgement, and each concepts, other than a meaning, has also definition, function, and taste (with him even tasting life itself lol). Hence why...
  22. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Literally how.
  23. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    He literally tasted it as said from Shion, idk why you keep ignoring this.
  24. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    It being some LN or something.
  25. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    The very fact it's not bound from the universe already means it's CM 1, as otherwise it would still be bound and inside it. Plus 2 staff already agreed to it.
  26. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Real, thank you for understanding.
  27. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Because meanings are still concepts for Bill, kek.
  28. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Staff can still agree with debunked arguments, smh.
  29. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Average VBW argument
  30. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Hence unconvetional, as he's still able to oppose it.
  31. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    It's unconventional for a reason, for the fact he's not frozen there.
  32. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    For him it does not have meaning, not that it lacks one, for same reason why he finds it worthless (I already said that). Idk, the two things seem synonymous, as Bill did say that about a concept you can get a purpose, definition, function, and even taste, given that he compared Life to Yellow...
  33. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    I mean it's also double standard in a way. The rift is literally Bill's power, a part of him. There's no reason to say he cannot do the same.
  34. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    But it's still a concept though, like "life" is still one. This falls in your opinion now lol.
  35. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    I can see what you mean, given that Jungian Archetypes are what shape human psyche and not the other way around, so huuh... Still suck at Type 2?
  36. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    It's not about just that, it's more about it being part of his power, given that both are the same in capabilities. Tho if Dimentio gets infinite speed off that CRT then Bill must too.
  37. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Didn't you agree with Dimentio having that off similar reasons? Tbh, a new argument can be that given that the Rift is still part of Bill's power, he should still be capable of doing so, as it's still something in Bill's arsenal.
  38. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Type 1 concepts are not part of reality either despite shaping them at the same time, this is why they're independent, not superior. Type 1 concepts don't have to be like Plato where everything is just a shadow of the forms. Massive strawman here. I never said that reality is built on...
  39. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Not built into something means it's outside of it...
  40. StrymULTRA

    Bill Cipher: Hax and Speed upgrades

    Prove that it wouldn't? It's said to be outside of the universe kek.
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