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Monsters_fight
Monsters_fight
Im adding those + I realized something.

We use the Monsters' stats for scaling in Undertale. Shouldn't we do the same to Deltarune?
StrymULTRA
StrymULTRA
Deltarune ≠ Undertale.

The monsters aren't portrayed there as being massively weaker than humans, plus both have DT apparently (and it being the same as UT's is questionable), other than stuff like magic not existing in Light World.

Aka don't apply anything from UT ro DR and viceversa, unless is Player.
StrymULTRA
StrymULTRA
Oh nvm, I misread.

No, we shouldn't do that either, as stats in UT have a canon explanation, in DR? No.
StrymULTRA
StrymULTRA
The recalc dropped.

High End got accepted, meaning that...
  • Everyone who is 8-B becomes High 8-C+ (7.28 Tons) instead (and none can become 8-B as the gap is x1.51, that's way too much to upscale. If Jojo characters cannot become 8-B while having a higher calc, neither should be UT's).
  • Characters who scale to Human SOULs (Frisk, singular Human SOULs and Humanity) will become 7-C+ (7.28 * 12000 = 87360 Tons or 87.36 Kilotons)
    • SOUL-Asriel might still upscale to baseline High 7-C (100 Kilotons) due to him being implied to be stronger than full-power humans tho. If you do, that "At least [...], likely far higher" should be removed and leave him at just High 7-C.
  • The characters are still Class M, however:
    • Current Class M characters now will scale to 3304.68 Metric Tons.
    • Photoshop Flowey/Asriel instead are >>x2 that, aka 6609.36 Metric Tons (or 6614.2 Metric Tons if you include Undyne and Papyrus scaling each to 2.42 Tons. Sans and Undyne cannot be added as their physical LS is Unknown).
That's all.
Monsters_fight
Monsters_fight
Tbf, thats not a big downgrade
StrymULTRA
StrymULTRA
Tbh I noticed that the current 8-B calc is just very weird in general, uses wacky logic too.

Plus it'd make some Jojo vs Undertale fights viable fr.
Monsters_fight
Monsters_fight
Btw, the 1.51x gap is too big even for Undyne The Undying and Mettaton NEO to scale? I think they should be massively stronger than Flowey Base
StrymULTRA
StrymULTRA
Yes, the gaps that are acceptable are only in case they're very close, like x1.25 as the most ideal gap.

8-B starts at 11 tons, UT characters would need to be almost x2 stronger given that they're essentially at half of the tier.

Aka no. None should be 8-B, let them stuck in High 8-C+ hell, same reason why Jojo is after all. Would be double standards otherwise.
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