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Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
It's like the branches all look the same. Like parallel worlds but they're not parallel worlds since they're conceptually separate. Basically nothing notable.
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
This about the worlds(like the nine realms) inside the branch having no time difference.

According to Lutria
「But, regarding the time difference between world……at the present time I can only say that the cause is unknown.」

「So even a goddess doesn’t know huh.」

According to her, originally, apparently even if they were in different universes, it never happened that a time difference was created between planets that existed in the “World Tree’s branches”.

「I can guess the cause. The possibility that the cause is none other than the influence of the “loss of branches” is quite big.」Ch 492
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Another possible cause
「Something that lurked at the bottom of the sea existed outside of my awareness. The knowledge flowing from the Star Tree informed me of its true identity. That it was an existence that must not exist in this world.」

Which was to say, it was an existence from outside this dimension. “Something” that came here from further outside the nine universes.

「That existence was taking in the children of the sea, little by little, little by little. And not only mankind but also the children of every race. It ate and increased in strength, or it altered other’s soul and even their flesh into its subordinate, so it can order them to hunt for even more prey to offer to it. Secretly, carefully.」Ch 492
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According to her, perhaps because the existence came from outside this dimension, it was difficult for this world’s principle to affect the “Calamity”.

It didn’t mean that it was completely ineffective. She could give chase once she perceived it, and it wasn’t like the principles related to offense and defense had no effect. But she said that it slipped through the principles related to detection as long as she hadn’t perceived it as “existing”.

「Something like crossing dimension should be impossible originally. Just the fact that it “could cross” made it easy to imagine that it possessed means to interfere with space-time.」

「I see. Those guys’ arrival might have influenced the “wall” between worlds and created the time difference huh.」Ch 492
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There is mutiple possible causes behind the time difference one of them could be an outsider who created the dark beings in desert world.


The real cause behind it is still unknown.
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
I see. That gives some context.
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
What does it mean for the cosmology ?

Like each universe has it's own concept of time and the branch is higher dimensionlly than the worlds within ?
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
This is a possibility that just requires a little more explanation.
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
There is more
There was no clear division. If there was an other-worlder who sided with Earth, then there was also an earthling who sided with the other world.

But, it seemed definitive that there was an outbreak of conflict that crossed the two worlds.

As a result, a power that was equal to the work of god transformed the other world into “hell”, and the losers were locked in that world. Ch 308
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The seven deadly sins were able to travel to Tortus because someone(possibly Ehit) shook the interval of worlds(the gap/barrier/wall or boundary between realms)
「See, Bel-chan and others, they told Myuu nano. They all are just bored, doing nothing but ruling or quarreling, that they even got sick of their friends, and then, one day they felt power with presence that is similar with themselves, and when they tried going following the attraction, they came to Myuu’s place, they said.」

「Similar presence……」

Could it be, they referred to the self-proclaimed god of Tortus? Or else, did they mean the age of god magic? At that time, Tortus was just a step before the world’s demise. Certainly tremendous power was at work at that time.

Perhaps it somehow shook the worlds interval between Tortus and hell. Ch 319
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Not sure what they mean with similar presence, but I think they're talking about Ehit.
BTW, Unknown did the same in Hell arc.

It was called boundary by a demon
「Ee~, what is this situation……」

Hajime who spontaneously muttered. The three camps who were in an explosive situation gasped and turned their gaze toward Hajime and co.

「Claire! Also Wynn and others too! You all did well coming back!」

――Crossing over the world boundary? Who are you-

「Aa――――!! PAPAAAAAAAAA-」Ch 319
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Lutria
Lutria abruptly casted her gaze down. Apparently she was carefully examining the information that she had received from the divine spirits (other than Enti). Her expression grimaced slightly. As though she was directly facing an incomprehensible fact.

「It looks like you knew about the fact that the time difference itself exist only just now huh.」

「……Yes, a small concept like time is something alien for god. However, for fellow planets where the great tree exist in each, difference in the flow of time shouldn’t……is this also the influence of many of the great trees being lost? Or perhaps the cause came from the world being closed……」

Lutria got immersed in some kind of thought in the middle of her words and she started muttering to herself. Hajime narrowed his eyes while the other people were showing confusion. Ch 491
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What do you think ?

Is this "boundary" what trap concepts within their realms ?
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
This "boundary" seems to be what is called in fiction the temporal separation walls. It shows that the universes are indeed separate and exist in a greater structure (in the dimensional aspect it is a 5-D which is not Low 1-C).
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
Why 5D is not Low 1-C ?
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
With the separation walls there are 5-D structures but they are not "big enough" to be Low 1-C. Like a pocket dimension that is not Universe sized its destruction does not give 3-A.
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
If the interval is 5D, what does it mean for the branch that contain the nine realms ?
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
Nothing notable. I don't think it will give any Tier. However since each Universe has its concept of time, it is already clear that what I say is 5-D is Low 1-C. Since the interval there must in fact be the gap between two worlds, that is to say the branch itself.
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
What about concepts like the elements
「The gap of “hell” and “this world” is wavering. Just now, I said that they could not cross the gap of worlds without the “mirror gate” but……now is different. In this time when this gap is wavering, if there is a medium that can easily connect the interval, they will be able to descend to “this world” with a strong body maintaining their existence.」

For example, a mirror. A mirror that reflected another world, especially when there was an opposite mirror, the gap of worlds could be shaken just with that.

For example, a thick mist. A heavy mist that shut the field of vision where it was impossible to look even an inch ahead, it could also shake the spot of “this world” itself.

And then, water.

The world was connected by water. Water was a natural “gate” that crossed every world. Ch 307
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Maybe mirror=light and mist=wind

The concept of these element is omnipresent within the nine realms
「You are connected to that god by wind after all! And they are also a god, so I think it will be easy for them to come!」

According to them, it wasn’t just limited to wind, apparently existences who possessed nature divinity of water or light were also relatively easy to summon although not as easy as the hero as long as there was some kind of connection formed even through the partition of the world. Especially divinity with strong connection with “World Tree’s Branch”. Ch 388
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Affection of wind
「It seems the small Heaven Tree is recovering well……yes, I can manage it somehow, but only if the other side is inclined to answer. This doesn’t seem like a mere god of foreign world, but a child of the avatar of another world, it won’t be difficult if I trace the presence of this wind――no, this conception.」Ch 388
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"World tree branch" is also used to refer to the great trees on each universe.

Are they 5D concepts for being connected to the world and not limited to their realm ?
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
I don't think so, no. It would have to affect a 5-D structure entirely.
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
Notice how they mention that the world was closed or locked by someone, likely using boundary manipulation of space magic.
Lloydblitzed
Lloydblitzed
I think Digital Franz here means that its an Higher Dimensional space that nobody scale to
EL_xWatcher1234x
EL_xWatcher1234x
Does this mean traveling to other realms is a 5D dimensional travel ?
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
Yeah. I think I said something similar in the discussion thread.
Lloydblitzed
Lloydblitzed
Yes
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