Yeah but you wanted to remove Class M because TK was only shown to work on souls. By the same logic, KR was shown to only work on souls too, no?
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StrymULTRA
Flowey is still vulnerable to being hit from attacks, example being Toriel, meaning that him being Soulless does not mean that he's immune to all forms of monster Magic.
Sans' KR in particular is not within the TK stuff, as when he slams you at the end, the KR does not apply, meaning that they're separate.
The easiest assumption is that all of Sans' attacks (outside of TK) are all KR-based.
Sans' KR in particular is not within the TK stuff, as when he slams you at the end, the KR does not apply, meaning that they're separate.
The easiest assumption is that all of Sans' attacks (outside of TK) are all KR-based.
TheOrangeGuy09
It is true that attacks do indeed damage soulless people, but the problem is: saying that KR does so too is NLF, same as TK. Applying this logic to TK but not KR is double standards.
StrymULTRA
You are trying to make up a fallacy that however is reliant on assumptions on your part.
There's nothing indicating that TK won't work on Flowey (unless you mean that Sans should also be 8-B due to him, ya know, straight up MURDERING Flowey with pure AP like Asgore does, which is nonsensical, as it'd mean that Flowey is weaker than 1 ATK, while he almost one shot a Frisk with 0 stats), while we have enough information on why the TK wouldn't work.
There's nothing indicating that TK won't work on Flowey (unless you mean that Sans should also be 8-B due to him, ya know, straight up MURDERING Flowey with pure AP like Asgore does, which is nonsensical, as it'd mean that Flowey is weaker than 1 ATK, while he almost one shot a Frisk with 0 stats), while we have enough information on why the TK wouldn't work.
TheOrangeGuy09
What assumptions? We legit never see Sans being capable of using KR on soulless beings. I’m applying same logic on KR as you did on TK.
“There's nothing indicating that TK won't work on Flowey, while we have enough information on why the TK wouldn't work.” What?
Also, it is nonsensical to think that monsters with ATK 4 can harm Flowey, the guy who killed literally everyone, too. Sans obviously did not kill him with one bone; he used Danmaku just like against us on Genocide.
“There's nothing indicating that TK won't work on Flowey, while we have enough information on why the TK wouldn't work.” What?
Also, it is nonsensical to think that monsters with ATK 4 can harm Flowey, the guy who killed literally everyone, too. Sans obviously did not kill him with one bone; he used Danmaku just like against us on Genocide.
StrymULTRA
ATK 4 has enough evidence of downscaling enough to have comparable degrees, Sans' TK not.
You're just repeating yourself at this point. I know that Sans is a cool character but if the evidence for him does suck, then we just don't make assumptions.
Plus there's nothing saying that TK is anywhere related to SOUL fuckery, unlike TK which explicitly does.
You're just repeating yourself at this point. I know that Sans is a cool character but if the evidence for him does suck, then we just don't make assumptions.
Plus there's nothing saying that TK is anywhere related to SOUL fuckery, unlike TK which explicitly does.
TheOrangeGuy09
Sans has enough evidence for it too given Flowey literally says he caused him a fair amount of RESETs, and again KR is only seen applying on SOUL, same as TK.
I did repeat myself for a single reason of you having not properly shown KR working on soulless people, you only showed Toriel’s magic working on Flowey, and by that logic Sans’ TK should be able to work on Flowey too.
Technically KARMA is applied to the veins which Flowey ******* lacks lmao.
I did repeat myself for a single reason of you having not properly shown KR working on soulless people, you only showed Toriel’s magic working on Flowey, and by that logic Sans’ TK should be able to work on Flowey too.
Technically KARMA is applied to the veins which Flowey ******* lacks lmao.
StrymULTRA
Prove TK is involved
TK isn't the same as bullets, former needs the soul to hit, latter no.
Please tell me you're not taking it literally and not as a metaphor about KR being a poison effect
Prove TK is involved
TK isn't the same as bullets, former needs the soul to hit, latter no.
Please tell me you're not taking it literally and not as a metaphor about KR being a poison effect
TheOrangeGuy09
TK plays a huge role in his attacks at the very least, although the whole point of this debate is not to prove TK works on SOUL but get Sans to at most 8-B.
I am saying “by the same logic”. KR needs veins to target.
Why would it be a metaphor? The statement is pretty straightforward. Why would Frisk feel it the existing effect in the veins if it isn’t true?
I am saying “by the same logic”. KR needs veins to target.
Why would it be a metaphor? The statement is pretty straightforward. Why would Frisk feel it the existing effect in the veins if it isn’t true?
StrymULTRA
Inflicts no damage
A lot of monsters would logically lack veins, like Papyrus, Sans himself, Vegetoid, Moldsmal, and so on. Assuming that Sans' KR wouldn't work on these is silly.
Inflicts no damage
A lot of monsters would logically lack veins, like Papyrus, Sans himself, Vegetoid, Moldsmal, and so on. Assuming that Sans' KR wouldn't work on these is silly.
TheOrangeGuy09
Yes, but plays a crucial role in his attacks, such as bones appearing from walls (or whatever it is). Also technically it can do damage.
“Assuming that Sans' KR wouldn't work on these is silly.” It’s more like you assuming that KR would work on them tbh. And yes, it wouldn’t since it works on veins as said in the game itself.
“Assuming that Sans' KR wouldn't work on these is silly.” It’s more like you assuming that KR would work on them tbh. And yes, it wouldn’t since it works on veins as said in the game itself.
TheOrangeGuy09
While we’re here: I just noticed that Waterfall minor monsters scale to Papyrus in terms of speed, so I gotta change them, but Napstablook’s profile also says that he should be comparable to Waterfall monsters, so should he be MHS+ too? Also could you apply those changes if necessary cuz I likely won’t be able to around this time.
Hope this helps.