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Armorchompy
Tyranno223
Thanks!
Armorchompy
I'm not sure how exactly to calculate the Celebdil feat because I'm not sure that it being "crowned" with storm means the entire thing was covered by them, rather than just the peak. If you think it is I can give a rough estimate, shouldn't be too hard of a calc.
Tyranno223
I suppose that would be right. Rereading the quote, it does say "the mountain" rather than just the peak.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Tyranno223
If something crowns something else, it is on or around the top of it:
"The church was crowned with golden domes."
Seems to be the most appropriate Cambridge definition.
2. rest on or form the top of.
"the distant knoll was crowned with trees"
Would be the Oxford definition.
"...the mountain was crowned with storm..."
At a higher end the entire mountain would have a storm above it. As the peak is not mentioned, it can be assumed that by resting "on top" or being "around the top of" the mountain while the entirety of the mountain is crowned, the storm is large enough to cover the entirety of it.
At a low ball, just the peak would be covered. If the mountain has a storm on or around the peak of it, it can be alternatively assumed that the storm covers only the very top of it.
Really it depends on interpretation, but the image of "crowning" does lend itself well to the latter while the unambiguous mention of the mountain as a whole lends itself to the former. But I'm not an Eng Lang bachelor or something.
There is also the Balrog destroying the mountainside while dying, but that might be even more ambiguous to calc.
"The church was crowned with golden domes."
Seems to be the most appropriate Cambridge definition.
2. rest on or form the top of.
"the distant knoll was crowned with trees"
Would be the Oxford definition.
"...the mountain was crowned with storm..."
At a higher end the entire mountain would have a storm above it. As the peak is not mentioned, it can be assumed that by resting "on top" or being "around the top of" the mountain while the entirety of the mountain is crowned, the storm is large enough to cover the entirety of it.
At a low ball, just the peak would be covered. If the mountain has a storm on or around the peak of it, it can be alternatively assumed that the storm covers only the very top of it.
Really it depends on interpretation, but the image of "crowning" does lend itself well to the latter while the unambiguous mention of the mountain as a whole lends itself to the former. But I'm not an Eng Lang bachelor or something.
There is also the Balrog destroying the mountainside while dying, but that might be even more ambiguous to calc.
Tyranno223
Sorry, one last addendum
'I have returned from the Northern Fences,' said [Haldir].... 'The Dimrill Dale is full of vapour and clouds of smoke, and the mountains are troubled. There are noises in the deeps of the earth. If any of you had thought of returning northwards to your homes, you would not have been able to pass that way.'
The Fellowship of the Ring, LoTR Book 2, Ch 8, Farewell to Lórien
This seems to be in reference to the battle between Gandalf and Durin's Bane. The Dimrill is already included in the Imgur images btw, the bottom of the mountain. It seems that the storm's weakest effects have reached as far as the base of the mountain.
I think it's safe to assume the entire mountain, if not more considering the other mountains are mentioned as "troubled", was covered to some degree.
'I have returned from the Northern Fences,' said [Haldir].... 'The Dimrill Dale is full of vapour and clouds of smoke, and the mountains are troubled. There are noises in the deeps of the earth. If any of you had thought of returning northwards to your homes, you would not have been able to pass that way.'
The Fellowship of the Ring, LoTR Book 2, Ch 8, Farewell to Lórien
This seems to be in reference to the battle between Gandalf and Durin's Bane. The Dimrill is already included in the Imgur images btw, the bottom of the mountain. It seems that the storm's weakest effects have reached as far as the base of the mountain.
I think it's safe to assume the entire mountain, if not more considering the other mountains are mentioned as "troubled", was covered to some degree.
Armorchompy
Yeah with the Dimril Gate bit in mind I think it's fair to say the whole thing is surrounded by the storm. In that case with a radius of roughly 25 miles, which is 40 km, the storm would cover 5026548245.74 m^2, which gives mass of 24251915059667 kg, which multiplied by moderate instability (idk if you could do strong here) gives 6.0629788 x 10^16 Joules, 7-B. This is a rough calc ofc, pixel scaling would have to be done for a proper blog
Tyranno223
Thanks! I assume the value would need to be divided since it's the result of Gandalf and the Balrog dueling.
Do you have time to do a proper blog?
Do you have time to do a proper blog?
Armorchompy
I can do one if needed. I guess there is the issue of the fact that this was caused by them fighting overtime rather than just a single clash (i think)? I know (well, i vaguely remember) that the fight took days, do we know how long it took for the storm to kick up?
Tyranno223
"‘There upon Celebdil was a lonely window in the snow, and before it lay a narrow space, a dizzy eyrie above the mists of the world. The sun shone fiercely there, but all below was wrapped in cloud. Out he sprang, and even as I came behind, he burst into new flame. There was none to see, or perhaps in after ages songs would still be sung of the Battle of the Peak.’ Suddenly Gandalf laughed. ‘But what would they say in song? Those that looked up from afar thought that the mountain was crowned with storm. Thunder they heard, and lightning, they said, smote upon Celebdil, and leaped back broken into tongues of fire. Is not that enough? A great smoke rose about us, vapour and steam. Ice fell like rain. I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountain-side where he smote it in his ruin. Then darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell."
It seems to have occurred shortly after the battle restarted. There isn't a pause or anything from between the Balrog reigniting to the mention of a battle of which "songs would still be sung" ages after if people witnessed it.
3019
January
23 Gandalf pursues the Balrog to the peak of Zirakzigil.
25 He casts down the Balrog, and passes away. His body lies on the peak.
Overall, the battle went from the 23rd of January to the 25th.
The storm may or may not have lasted the entire time. I assume it did. It was at least ended with the conclusion of the fight.
"‘Naked I was sent back – for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. The tower behind was crumbled into dust, the window gone; the ruined stair was choked with burned and broken stone. I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth..."
It seems to have occurred shortly after the battle restarted. There isn't a pause or anything from between the Balrog reigniting to the mention of a battle of which "songs would still be sung" ages after if people witnessed it.
3019
January
23 Gandalf pursues the Balrog to the peak of Zirakzigil.
25 He casts down the Balrog, and passes away. His body lies on the peak.
Overall, the battle went from the 23rd of January to the 25th.
The storm may or may not have lasted the entire time. I assume it did. It was at least ended with the conclusion of the fight.
"‘Naked I was sent back – for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. The tower behind was crumbled into dust, the window gone; the ruined stair was choked with burned and broken stone. I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth..."