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See, I think the "moon is like our IRL moon" stuff is actually in favor of the feat, rather than against it, because without I think it'd be fair to assume that it's just some mythological, not to scale entity that can't really be assumed to be any given tier (sort of how we only rate Elden Ring star stuff as likely, because it's questionable if they really are that or just some weird kind of meteorite). Now as for the difference between steering and pushing I wouldn't really know, but I guess you could assume that it's moving on its own like it does IRL and the guy is just affecting that movement, which would indeed not be 5-C.

I do disagree with using the spirits destroying the Moon as a feat though. There's many of them and there's nothing that implies that it'd all be done by one guy in one blow, which means that it could easily be a feat done overtime and by a group of entities at once - which is definitely not 5-C. There's also the fact that they might just want to destroy the flower held within it rather than the whole thing.

For the record I think it's very fair to assume the sun is similar to our own given the overwhelming amount of evidence that there is for the Moon and the fact that there's some of its own, but if there's issues against that then those might take precedence.

That's all fair. The basis for the "possibly 5-C" part of the scaling comes from the ambiguity of the spirits. There might have been many, a few, etc. They might have tried to destroy the Moon entirely, or just the fruit. To destroy the fruit, they might have had to destroy the "island" (if it is the container) or a smaller, lesser container.

Personally, I think "At Most" might be better in hindsight, due to the relative ambiguity.

The Sun I'm mixed on. Like you said, LotR is widely consistent with our own universe, and the Sun should be part of it, but it just lacks a lot of the same support as the Moon. I clearly had other issues with it from checking what I wrote, but I don't remember exactly what.

Honestly even not considering that (as I understand) it's just implied that they'd destroy the moon, I don't think it's a feat that we should use, it'd still be the same as any generic "destroy the world" bad guy statement, which without further context we just kinda ignore.

As for the Sun I do think it's fine based on what I've seen but I can't comment on those other issues of course.

"Still therefore, after the Long Night, the light of Valinor was greater and fairer than upon Middle-earth; for the Sun rested there, and the lights of heaven drew nearer to Earth in that region. But neither the Sun nor the Moon can recall the light that was of old, that came from the Trees before they were touched by the poison of Ungoliant. That light lives now in the Silmarils alone. But Morgoth hated the new lights, and was for a while confounded by this unlooked-for stroke of the Valar. Then he assailed Tilion, sending spirits of shadow against him, and there was strife in Ilmen beneath the paths of the stars; but Tilion was victorious."

I dunno, the issue Morgoth has is with the existence of the lights. He wouldn't have sent the "spirits" to attack Tilion if they weren't going to also destroy the Moon. Sure the scale and specificity can be debated, but it is quite clear cut in this case. Tolkien's last account of the published version of the origins of the Sun and Moon (and not the later unfinished ideas about a primeval Sun and Moon) also seem to go in line with this

"The further fortification of Valinor still of course arises from the fear of the Valar of 'the might and cunning of Morgoth' (QS), but Morgoth's attack on the Moon is now the main- spring of their fear: 'But seeing the assault upon Tilion the Valar were in doubt, fearing what the malice and cunning of Melkor might yet contrive against them.'" - Morgoth's Ring

I mean, fair but I don't really see anything that'd imply that they'd be able to destroy it in one blow.