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Listen.

You're free to have your issues and misgivings regarding the purge. I know it's taken a long while, and I've acknowledged and apologized for this already. This does not justify constant whining about your circumstances, especially not past these discussions. Things are moving forwards; the purge thread is not your personal place to complain about all your petty grievances regarding the pace of it. To address those, though, you're still free to use and reference whatever models - they don't necessarily have tiering impacts and unless, for some mysterious reason, every single character scales to Tier 1, you can make pages without dealing with them.

With this said, your petty grievances also don't justify senseless antagonism and attacks on people's characters. You didn't just get threadbanned because you ignored warnings, your behavior is senselessly rude nonsense that simply derails threads. You were already warned for your behavior before; I'd suggest listening to these warnings.

"With this said, your petty grievances also don't justify senseless antagonism and attacks on people's characters"

...when, did I ever attack the characters of people?

I'd appreciate it if you actually engaged with the body of the post rather than finding some small part to whine about, because you have a history of doing that.

"unless...you're actually that sensitive about the smallest of things.
Which, actually makes me a bit genuinely concerned-"

From this very thread, this is just a pointless personal attack and attempt at misrepresentation. This sort of behavior is more the problem than your whining, even if you were warned for that.

Actually, you want the truth?
Fine, it is simple anyways.

You see...I am, always was, and likely will always be a very blunt person.
Even if I have quote on quote "attacked" people's characters, it is not intended maliciously.

Again, I am a blunt person and say whatever comes into my mind; aka speaking my mind
Sure, it may come off rude sometimes...but I don't mean to be.
A lot of the time, I don't even realize it as I speak on impulse.

Believe me, it's rough. I know, I lived through this for my entire life.

And you think I'm making this up?
Go ask Phoenks, he can confirm this. He probably knows me the most out of literally everyone on the site, as he has dealt with me for a couple years personally.
He's the one who understands me, and my mental mechanisms the most.

"unless...you're actually that sensitive about the smallest of things.
Which, actually makes me a bit genuinely concerned-"

This, is a genuine concern about someone's emotional wellbeing.
How, in the hell...is this an attack?

It's should the complete opposite of an "attack".

I swear, everyone takes what I say way out of proportion.
I express genuine concern, and are met with nothing but scorn.

I try to be nice, but everyone gets mad at me regardless.

If you understand you're being rude and that you have a tendency to come across as rude, the proper response to apologize and try to rein it in a bit. Your tone makes your expressions of concern come across as sarcastic and ingenuine. I'm not trying to antagonize you here, and I don't need your whole life story on the matter either, but if it really just all accidents, then try to adjust your behavior accordingly?

"Your tone makes your expressions of concern come across as sarcastic and ingenuine."

Ah yeah. Thank you for reminding me. I should probably mention I am tone deaf.
No joke.

I sometimes cannot tell if someone is serious or sarcastic, and I often fail to express myself in those manners as well.
Intentionally or not

And, a bit of clarification:

Yes, I do know I come off as rude sometimes.
But what I do not know, is when and where I may have been without being told so.

As mentioned here:
"Sure, it may come off rude sometimes...but I don't mean to be.
A lot of the time, I don't even realize it as I speak on impulse."

But there is another problem: This, is my natural way of speaking; speaking my mind. In other words, I am just a very blunt person. That is all there is to it.
It's not something you intentionally think about unless putting on a persona. You just do it.
So even if someone tells me I've been a bit rude...that doesn't guarantee I won't speak in a "rude" way unintentionally again.

That's just my way of speech; that is just who I am...and no amount of discussing with me will change who I am.

So keep this in mind:
"If I come off as rude, odds are...I am most likely not being rude. That's just my natural manner of speaking."

Trust me, people eventually get used to my manner of speech.
Otherwise, Phoenks may not have been able to stand the couple years he knew me.
And he would also know when I am intentionally being rude. Believe me...you will know if you ever see it, which is hopefully never.

Look, I understand that these things happen. I'm often rude without it being intentional too. But your tone deafness isn't an excuse to be rude without consequences; at least acknowledge it and apologize. It's not acceptable behavior everywhere you go. People aren't going to accommodate it just because that's how you naturally are.

Also, Mori's a girl.

I...know she's a girl.
I've used "she" and "her" for Mori.

Unless you are talking about the line:
"And he would also know when I am intentionally being rude."

I am talking about Phoenks here, not Mori. As Phoenks has seen me as intentionally rude, and it is completely different from what you saw.

I couldn't tell.

And once again, that's a problem.

Even if I do acknowledge it, that doesn't prevent me from accidentally coming off rude in the future without realizing it.

It's my natural way of speaking; something I do subconsiously.

In other words, I will always come off as rude at times. Intentionally or not.
But the difference between intentionally being rude and not, it is VERY clear.

To be frank, the way people that know me can actually cope with me...is that they simply get used to my manner of speaking.
In the sense of, they know the patterns of my speech and can tell the true intentions behind my words.

Phoenks again, can confirm this, as he is one of the few that got used to my way of speaking.

Look, if you refuse to apologize or own up at all to your behavior, intentional or not, I don't know what to say. That's just actually being rude. That's just ACTUALLY being an asshole.

You mean..."being myself"?

I only spoke naturally, so apologizing there is basically the same as saying "I'm sorry for being born the way I am".

Which can kinda be shortened to "sorry for being born". Not apologizing for being born into the world is not being an asshole, doing so is basically just saying you feel sorry for yourself existing. So, why apologize for something which would degrade your own self for living? Being born the way you are? It's not that damn simple.

But even if I did apologize for it...it may be seen as "insincere" or "empty" due to my matter of speaking.
So, why the **** even try, if the apology itself may seem rude or insincere, Even though it is not intended to be so?

What then? How would this """""insincere apology""""" be addressed?

Point is, an apology would not matter anyways. As even if I do, it would be likely seen as not a sincere one...which may cause a butterfly effect that makes things EVEN WORSE than before due to it being taken as insincere.

So, it goes like this:
1: I say something seen as "rude", though not intended.

2: I genuinely apologize for being myself and degrade myself for existing.

3: That apology was seen as "insincere" due to the way I speak.

4: Due to being seen as insincere, the fires would just be fanned and things just become worse for all parties.

tldr; I genuinely apologize for saying something seen as "rude", but wasn't...and the results being lowered self-esteem (which I already don't have much of thanks to personal shit and mental disorders (particularly manic depression)), and have people on my ass even more.

Imagine apologizing only to be stricken with more scorn.

Listen. You're not the only person with communication issues, with anxiety or depression. You're not the only person who comes across as rude without intending to. Your attempts at garnering guilt or pity for trying to get you to own up to the things you do aren't working. I'm not asking you to apologize for being born like this. I'm often rude without intending to be. Very rude, even. Hurting someone's feelings like this is still something I feel bad about and something I would offer an apology for. Change is not impossible.

Your insistence on not apologizing makes it clear you don't care. You're not accidentally rude, you're knowingly rude and you don't care. It doesn't matter to you if this starts problems or fights; you just throw your hands up like, 'well, nothing I can do'. The fact that you behave like this is what would make your apology look insincere. The fact that you don't even try makes it look even worse.

Stop throwing a pity party and grow up.

I don't want anyone's pity, that's not my style. In fact, I actually ******* hate when people show pity towards me, as it makes be feel like I am being looked down upon.
So no, I am not asking for any pity. Keep that shit to yourselves.

And you fail to see the problem:
If I apologize, then it will just make it worse for everyone due to it being seen as an insincere apology.

I know this will occur, because it has happened several times before where I just said "**** it. If people don't believe me when I say sorry, then they don't deserve an apology."

Which the very act of not accepting a sincere apology is very rude in itself: I apologize, and then people have the ******* audacity to not accept it and cause even more drama because "it was insincere"; in other words, you are the ones being rude to me.

So if you want me to stop being "rude" unintentionally, then don't be rude to me and stop saying I am insincere whenever I actually am.

You also still never answered my question.

"How will the issue of an """"insincere apology"""" be addressed?", as it will just make everything worse than it already is.

I will only apologize if it will be taken as sincere.
If not, then I am not going to even bother as it will just make everything worse from there.

Those are my terms. They are very simple.

I absolutely am being rude to you, yes, because you've made it clear you so fundamentally lack respect for other people that the idea of apologizing is something so alien to you that you're able to spit up paragraphs as to why you have a policy of not apologizing. If you actually apologized, I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding any insincerity, at least depending on the context. Not so much anymore, though.

You don't really have any ground to negotiate on or demand terms for. I came here as a courtesy; to give you a chance to make a case for yourself and avoid getting in further trouble. Instead of simply accept the warning or apologize, all this happened. Anything further's out of my hands. Have a nice day.