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Qawsedf234
Qawsedf234
Dormammu is actually barred from those powers explicitly by our FAQ page
It should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.
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So he wouldn't qualify for anything.

The Watcher and Ultron also fall in the same category. Existing beyond time isn't a feat.
It is perfectly possible for a statement like transcending space and time to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. It's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space." Transcend space and time can also refer to a spacetime continuum being different to a "regular" spacetime continuum (Say, a strange-looking reality that may hold a few different physical laws, for example) or slightly do be more complex than a regular universe, even significantly so, but not qualitatively superior. Something A being said to "transcend" something B in real life can refer to the former being superior to the latter in some qualities in a notable way, but still roughly compatible. It does not necessarily mean transcendence not in an immeasurable way that would be graphically indescribable, such as A's qualities being superior to B by infinite amounts. With this in mind, statements of realities or beings with transcendence over space & time/the universe/etc., on their own, are not assumed to refer to qualitatively superiority, unless of course further context may elaborate on and contextualize this.
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RoTt35
RoTt35
Was Dormammu ever stated to be timeless? As far as I remember, only the Dark Dimension is, and in fact he is stated to be composed of space-time due to the assimilation of countless dimensions and universes that altered his original form and essence so many times

If I didn't misread, that section of the FAQ talks specifically about qualitatively superiority over space-time (Low 1-C), and that's not what I meant, I was just asking what abilities he could have since the Watcher exists outside the planes of space and time, even though the Multiverse itself already has dimensions outside of space or time, and the boundaries of the Multiverse are irrelevant to him, and the next paragraph of the FAQ says this:
It should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology.
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And for example the BDE page says this:
Beyond-Dimensional Existence on this wiki refers to the state of being of characters who exist outside, and are independent of, space and its dimensions.

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.
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Qawsedf234
Qawsedf234
It's just in terms of lining up there's no indication Dormammu qualified for any acasual rating. The most the Watcher qualifies for would be resistant to spacial changes, but that's also not BDE or Acasual.
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