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Overlord775
Overlord775
you cannot, you would need an outside source of power to do that, which Dark Matter doesn't have

if you follow any amount of logic you can't be stronger than your own power source
Garchomp777
Garchomp777
You can literally just grow stronger, and the protags fought giratina and beat it and dark matter was stronger making it more consistent

The outside source that powers dark matter is, its inner potential. Thats why pokemon like urshifu, yveltal, melmetal are stronger than arceus
Overlord775
Overlord775
Giratina is fought only in the post-game, which is only arguably canon to begin with, besides the protagonist are far too inconsistent to scale characters off to

nowhere it's stated to have inner potential as far as i know. Also saying those pokemons are superior to Arceus is utter nonsense as they first don't have feats even close to his level and all pokemons originate from Arceus
Garchomp777
Garchomp777
It doesnt need to be stated to have inner potential, it being strong enough to damage arceus is enough. And they dont need other feats, what they need is anti feats to prove these are outliers. Everyone originates from arceus but that doesnt mean people cant surpass him, flawed logic
And the creation trio were one shot by giovannis ursaring, lances dragonite
Overlord775
Overlord775
it's not when the source of it's power is a fraction of a fraction of Arceus' power

also trained pokemons are wack and have inconsistent power levels
Garchomp777
Garchomp777
Yeah and then generated its own power lol

They can be inconsistent, however giovanni pryce and lance have no anti feats lol

Darkrai can harm dialga. Why isn't that an outlier
Overlord775
Overlord775
except that was never even hinted, so it's headcanon

being beaten by normal pokemons and not having feats even remotly of that level of their own

Darkrai has been consistently enough shown as that level, messing with Palkia and Dialga in both the movie (When nobody else is shown to be able to really affect them in said movie) and PMD, as swell as having his own tier 2 feat in Pokapark 2
Garchomp777
Garchomp777
The fact that dark matter killed arceus is evidence arceus doesn't transcend its extensions.

Alakazam was gonna destroy 2 universes as well. There are pokemon who can create entire realities with stars in them and are non legendary
So yeah arceus is a weakling
Overlord775
Overlord775
really big logical fallicy there, as you are basically saying it's not outlier because it happened

That Alakazam is not even canon, also the 2-C rating wasn't accepted iirc
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