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TheRustyOne
TheRustyOne
Pointless reasoning should always be removed from a profile. When profile gets updated, more often then not people forget to update their reasoning. Currently 2B and others scale from A2's durability feat. However 2B's profile decides to mention things that are pointless and will only confuse people who read it.

Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (Able to harm A2 who survived an explosion with a 250 km blast radius)

Durability: Mountain level+ (Comparable to A2, who survived Number 4's nuclear black box detonation), higher with Flight Unit and Shields (Can ignore attacks from adversaries of comparable strength)

This is what her reasoning should be, no mentioning her being a 2E unit, taking hits from Engels, or killing 9S.

9S' Durability section is horrible, makes no mention of the calc he scales to and instead links to a unrelated missile feat.

Engels has no reasoning on his profile. It should mention that he severely damaged 9S with one attack and can harm 2B. That shouldn't be in his striking strength section. Should be mentioned that he can take multiple attacks from both 2B and 9S.

Also the power and abilities sections are awful.

Example: Magic, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation & Durability Negation (Machine Network uses Maso particles, as they assimilated the research and technology of Project Gestalt. Maso is an extradimensional particle from multidimensional worlds, allowing the usage of magic in several ways, such as ignoring all systems of defenses), Spatial Manipulation (Maso-based abilities are able to warp and break space), Quantum & Information Manipulation (Maso correlates with quantum mechanics, allowing the recollection of history), Data & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2; several abilities borrows power from the Network), Resistance to Magic, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Durability Negation, Spatial Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Able to resist Maso-based abilities and attacks), Data Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Hacking & Mind Manipulation (Machine units possess defense systems against hacking) & Immunity to Soul Manipulation (Lacks of a soul)

This is from Engels profile, what does any of this mean? No scans or references and nothing to explain how these abilities are used in battle or why he has resistance to these things. This makes Nier: Automata characters look like some god tier hax characters who'd one shot any 3-A characters with their raw hax.

I can't even use Nier: Automata characters in matches since I have no way of explaining why they don't stomp opponents instantly with higher-dimensional manipulation, durability negation, spatial manipulation, conceptual manipulation and ect. Normal users without knowledge aren't going to know how this power works.

I don't care if this was "explained" in a CRT, it needs to be explain in the profile in a short and summarized way. Sometimes if this is too difficult to explain and is a power shared by multiple people in the verse, you can create a blog/page that explains how this stuff works.

Example: Gems from Steven Universe have many abilities shared between them, instead of listing them all they instead made a Gem Physiology page. This page explains how Gems work and what their abilities are. The Haki page for One Piece is also a good example as well.

A lot of this cannot be done without assistance and honestly shouldn't have been placed onto profiles so hastily. Nier is also not that popular here and as such doesn't receive a lot of attention in this community. I want to take a crack at this but it'll be a long, slow, and likely painful process.

There's a big part of me that doesn't even want to bother with this verse period. I love Nier: Automata, but don't care for anything else from the series from what I've seen. Not because they're bad or anything. But I can tell that Maso is something I'll hate. Powers like this just piss me off and I don't even feel like trying.

Apologies: Sorry for the rant, just had a lot to get off my chest (Still held back a lot more). Nothing against you or the Nier verse in general, I'm just frustrated. I low-key wish Automata was its own thing and wasn't connect to any previous stuff, it would've made things so much easier.

Your suggestions seem fine with the chips, though need to be careful not to bloat the profile with too much information.

Summarizing is key and I think linking to an explanation about the chips isn't a bad idea either.
TheAngryOrange
Nah, that rant is perfect for what I need. I may not be able to get to everything in one go but that's what I'm trying to shore up and why I'm trying to do it.

Or some of the explanations. Like I decided to put the 250 blast radius cuz originally it was like "it had this much energy" expecting the reader to click the link. But if I want to get a summary of why, that explanation is unhelpful. It should be 250. THEN if they want to see what 250 gets Mountain they can click the link. Not have to click the link just to see the numbers. Hell, I'm actually wondering if I do away with the 250 blast radius and replace it with the yield number in the calculations. Then they click the link to see how that yield was calculated.

I do think things like mentioning 2E and killing 9S is important. But you're right, it bloats the attack potency part. Maybe a feat section.

And by all means rant away. This is stuff I can use to make improvements.
TheAngryOrange
But I will admit a lot of the maso stuff was kinda brute forced through by another. Like I can agree with some like magic and higher dimensional manipulation but a lot of the other ones like quantum mani and conceptual manip feels like a bunch of mumbo jumbo pushed because that person wanted 2B to win more matches. And I don't really know what to do with it by this point cuz I guess their sorta true (like magic through warping reality). But I'm just not sure what to do with it so I've been avoiding dealing with ti.
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