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Cat275

I'd rather answer here sorry.

Even if you created the Concept of Dimensions inside that smaller box, and then created higher dimensions, essentially creating boxes that encompass your original box. Those higher dimensions WILL NEVER be able to access to the higher dimension.

Firstly how are spatial dimensions treated in this series?

In fact, they go so far as to create Timelines in their dimension, which encompass all spatial dimensions, and then superimpose and do N to the power of N to the power of N to the power of N---> Infinitely and Infinitely growing.

It sounds like realms but anyways
If they are normal timelines that do that process then it's R^N spaces meaning it's bijected by R.

Assuming those are coordinates and these coordinates are infinite then it should be R^R.
(If the coordinates are finite then it's still R^N)

So all spaces here are bijected by R none the less.

Yet even those are unable to access a single higher dimension.

From the looks of it a R^R space can't reach higher dimensions so I think the idea of higher dimensions being inaccessible to each other should be fine although I'm not sure what you mean by inaccessible. (i think you mean something like root?)

If it's however the R^N (assuming the dimensions are finite and are just realms and not coordinates) then it might be just some kind of infinity difference over all R^N's(finite).

To be fair though if you plan on tiering this then we should just treat it as how we treat conceptual transcendence in this context.
(Probably 1-A or Low 1-A)

ActuallySpaceMan42

Firstly how are spatial dimensions treated in this series?

Like normal, all spatial dimensions are connected to a +1 temporal dimension, the distance of lower dimensions means nothing to higher dimensions, higher dimensions have extra coordinates and measurements than lower ones, and higher dimensions are infinite from the view of lower dimensions and seem infinitely overlapping due to hitting the limits a lower dimensional being can comprehend. They mention a lot of other stuff, but I'll save that to the Cosmology Page.

It sounds like realms but anyways
If they are normal timelines that do that process then it's R^N spaces meaning it's bijected by R.

Assuming those are coordinates and these coordinates are infinite then it should be R^R.
(If the coordinates are finite then it's still R^N)

So all spaces here are bijected by R none the less.

It's part of the same verse I mentioned in that last thread, but I'm not sure what you mean by realms.

From the looks of it a R^R space can't reach higher dimensions so I think the idea of higher dimensions being inaccessible to each other should be fine although I'm not sure what you mean by inaccessible. (i think you mean something like root?)

By inaccessible I mean, nothing from a lower dimension, no matter how much it's superimposed, set to the power of something, or transcended using "Higher Dimensions" can ever reach the actual next Higher Dimension.

If it's however the R^N (assuming the dimensions are finite and are just realms and not coordinates) then it might be just some kind of infinity difference over all R^N's(finite).

To be fair though if you plan on tiering this then we should just treat it as how we treat conceptual transcendence in this context.
(Probably 1-A or Low 1-A)

Still not sure what you mean by Realms, dimensions in this context are specifically spatial.

So the difference between the 4th Dimension & the 3rd Dimension would be an Aleph? Would the same go for the 4th and the 5th, all the way to 1-A+ if there are infinite dimensions?

Cat275

I'll be skipping the realm part since you said it's coordinates but anyways I'll be also leaving my take here in case you want to hear it but moving on if it's spatial dimensions as in coordinates then assuming it's infinite with super imposing i'll give the 1st dimension a Low 1-A.

The dimension above that a 1-A and if the dimension above that can be unreachable by it's layers (assuming the former can also make it's own higher dimensions with it qualifying as layers) then it's gonna be 1-A+.

The dimension right after may or may not be High 1-A and so on.

However assuming the higher layers can't create it's own dimensions then it's gonna be the classic 1-A layers.
(Unless if this dimension mechanic and superiority is general to the verse which i assume it is)

ActuallySpaceMan42

Wow, I did not expect this verse to hit Tier 0 potential in the first gosh damn book.

Cat275

I do think High 1-A or 0 is quite possible and it should be around it from the looks of it although I'm not quite sure how much higher dimensions like this exist in the book.

Also how many books are there exactly?

ActuallySpaceMan42

I'm on the 1st, there are 3 others finished atm and the newest one is being written as we speak.

Cat275

Ah I see.

ActuallySpaceMan42

Hey Cat, I finished the Cosmology for the 1st Novel would you mind reviewing it?

Cat275

Sure.

ActuallySpaceMan42

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Cat275

Sorry for the delay.

I was procastinating a little but anyways.

A state of chaos, a superposition state where all possibilities existed at the same time.

That was the initial form of information. It was set to exist and also to not exist. Reality and fantasy were superimposed. Everything Lan Mu knew and didn't know, everything he could imagine and everything he couldn't imagine …

This(^) seems to imply something akin to modal realism although I wouldn't assume to far at the moment.

A common fact is that energy naturally decays over time, going from a higher state to a lower state. This logic not only works on energy, but also works when explaining the concept of dimensions. When a 2D Universe exists inside of a 3D Universe in an open state, that 2D Universe is the smallest Singularity compared to sed 3D Universe. And as a singulairty the 3D Universe will begin to fall into the 2D Space causing the 2D Universe to grow. This spawns the idea of the Big Bang Theory, and perhaps even a lower dimensioanl universe would come up with the same theory.

Infact even our 3D Universe is the same, its constant expansion being proof our 3D Universe is open as an even larger 4D Universe falls into it as it is the smallest singularity.

I'm rather confused if this is your quote or a quote from the series but this and the quotes after seems to be a infinitesimal feat.

Dimensions in totality follow a simple schematic, the first being that all spatial dimensions are connected to singular temporal dimension. As for the sheer gap between dimensions, it was impossible to cross. What I mean by that is the simple fact, outside of manipulating information using a root algorithm, there is no way for a lower dimension to ever enter a higher dimension. The gap between dimensions is simply like that of two different realms. And because of that, when referring to higher dimensions characters rarely mentions numbers.

This and the quotes right after seems promising as well.

Having additional dimensions meant that no matter how far something was, this "Distance" only existed for these lower dimensional beings, they could always reach, and could always touch or not touch depending on their feelings.

This quote seems to follow the idea of additional dimensions having omnidirectional movement over lesser dimensions.

Originally, the distance was very far. Even if Lan Mu could see through the entire Three-Dimensional Space, it would still take him a long time to search. The reason was simple. The Four-Dimensional Space-Time was much more complicated than the Three-Dimensional Space. Therefore, it was like a "painting" that was more detailed than the Three-Dimensional Space. It was impossible to multitask and observe every corner at the same time.

But in fact, finding a person was actually very simple. The Fourth Dimension was a new concept of "body" that was made up of infinite wholes. Victor was also a Three-Dimensional creature, but he was born with the ability to enter the Higher Dimension. Therefore, when he came out of the Three-Dimensional Space and returned to the Three-Dimensional Space, he left a clear trace in the Four-Dimensional Space.

Alright it seems like there are tons of evidence for qualitive superiority.

Moving on.

I'll be skipping some evidence since you already know those.

In one timeline alone there are at the very least tens of thousands of dimensions.

I'm seeing 1-B at the moment although the whole concept thing is probably gonna make it higher.

Similar bifurcations were everywhere, and there were more and more variables.

One variable had N possibilities. When two variables were superimposed, it was N to the N power. If N variables were superimposed, it would be impossible to calculate.

Based on what we talked about. These are infinite right?

Since Lan Mu (i think) is on a 3 dimensional space and timelines like this are superimposing as well as replicating dimensions and all I'll say this are at least 1-B to Low 1-A depending on how you interpret impossible to calculate in this context.

For the sake of other interpretations though.

If N is finite then this are atleast 1-B since the copies or concept of dimensions can go to countless.

Although at the moment

With that in mind I believe I already stated my interpretation on higher dimensions in this case which is.

Higher dimension over 3rd dimension= 1-A.

Higher dimension over that= 1-A+

And so on.

Interface and etc seems to imply inaccessibility but to sum it up you can probably debate for tier 0.

My personal interpretation over this is High 1-A mainly because hierarchy of lower ontologies actually dont qualify and I'm just having some uncertainty if you can treat the hierarchies in this verse as a downward or upward ontological hierarchy and since I don't know much about the verse i'm quite uncertain of giving this such tier hence High 1-A seems to be the bare minimum and the plausible tier for me but yeah you can probably debate for tier 0 and I don't quite have an objection over that at the moment.

It'll probably be more clear if it's upwards or downwards if explained enough but at the moment my opinion over this is around either High 1-A or tier 0. Might change my opinion some other day but this is my current take.

Cat275

Sorry there seems to be an error let me edit this 1st.

Edit:It's fine now.

ActuallySpaceMan42

Based on what we talked about. These are infinite right?

Yes, just a single action or even Earth alone in a single universe results in endless possibilities/timelines each Timeline containing all dimensions.

As for deliberately changing history, when he knew the truth of the timeline, he was no longer interested. That was just one of the endless possibilities. It would not affect the timeline that already existed. Instead, it would create countless new tragedies.

Earth in the main universe was the node that had endless possibilities, which led to the splitting of other timelines

My personal interpretation over this is High 1-A mainly because hierarchy of lower ontologies actually dont qualify.

Mind explaining what you mean a bit more, I may be able to find something? Also thank's alot!

Cat275

Mind explaining what you mean a bit more, I may be able to find something?

Bassically if there is a infinite hierarchy of 2d, this wouldnt be 3d or higher if it lacks some quality or if its simply lower ontologies.

At the moment you may or may not be good to go. the only thing you need to find if ever is proof of those concept of dimensions where higher dimensions over those concepts work like the explained higher dimensions above the concept of dimensions and that should be enough proof although I may be wrong on this part.

Also thank's alot!

No problem.

ActuallySpaceMan42

Not sure, we do have these statements from the MC. This is while he was experimenting in the 2nd Dimension.

There was only one pure universe in the entire dimension, and it was built with the third dimension's main universe as the blueprint.

Originally, he had made a lot of universes and even created timelines, and even a whole set of structures such as the lower dimension.

This was to experience the feeling of the creator, and at the same time, to test the limits of the dimension.

To put it bluntly, he was now like 001, but he had the appearance and also the humanity.

However, he soon found that the dimension had no limits. As long as he wanted, he could set up an infinitely deep worldview.

This was simply a paradise, an ultimate retirement home arranged by 001 for him, the original sin.

But in Lan Mu's eyes, this was a prison, a seemingly beautiful prison.

If he indulged in this, he would lose to 001.

In order to find a way to escape from prison, he decided to give up such a bloated worldview.

Otherwise, the countless universes of the countless dimensions would be like a temptation, wearing down his will.

Thus, he made a coffee table in the place where he was in seclusion.

There was a pile of cups on the coffee table.

In each cup, there was an omnipotent universe.

He neglected sleep and food, trying to comprehend the information of the third dimension. Whenever he had no clue, he would drink tea while looking at the omnipotent universe in the teacup. There was a set of order there, silently and naturally developing.

In the omnipotent universe, all the living beings in the multidimensional world couldn't know that their universe existed on a coffee table. It was just a cup.

Cat275

Sorry have been busy lately, I'm quite unsure at the moment I don't think the above is justified enough by itself although I think I'll look in to the blog again in case i missed something since I'm barely familiar with the verse.

ActuallySpaceMan42

Cool, I plan on making a CRT adding the verse on Monday, so to clarify you agree with this Tiering?

Dimensional Space-Times (Tens of thousands of Inaccessibles into High 1-A or possibly Infinite Inaccessibles into High 1-A)

Dimensions (Even higher into High 1-A as they are the infinite sheets of paper of which the dimensional Space-Times are simply dots )

Omnipotent Universes (Even higher into High 1-A as they contain all dimensions and universes)

Timelines (Even higher into High 1-A due to constantly growing through infinities of power sets resulting in new timelines)

The Blue and White World (Tier 0, as it is a place that is both beyond and transcends all the dimensions and timelines, boundless and infinite in every way)

The Interface (Immeasurable Inaccessibles into Tier 0, unescapable through transcendence, or infinite transcendence, and even the Inaccessible Gap between Dimensions or Reality > Fiction can not sum up the gap between what is inside of it and its limits. It's even capable of creating an endless recursion of Interfaces within itself)

Information (Apathetic into Tier 0, uses Negative Theology towards the entire verse)

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