I mean... that changes like my entire chain lol.
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Greenshifter
Ottavio_Merluzzo
Crimson's zenkais are insane. He's using his Regen to abuse the Zenkai boost, and since he lets himself be hit a lot of times, he gets a lot stronger.
Only Cumber and Broly have this level of BS as far as i can see.
Only Cumber and Broly have this level of BS as far as i can see.
Greenshifter
... Ok, as long as it's not an infinite amp it's fine. Wouldn't it be easier to scale from anime Broly?
Ottavio_Merluzzo
It's a big ass amp, for sure. Infinite? I wouldn't say that,so you should be safe... I think.
Greenshifter
Inb4 Hashi goes "Rage Vegeta damaged Beerus". (Happened when I tried to argue the SSG amp stuff)
Ottavio_Merluzzo
In the games the SSG ritual is arguably an infinite power boost, at least. BoG Goku goes from Low 2-C to 2-A.
Dark King Mechikabura was smacking everyone and he was pretty much unbeatable until Xeno Trunks became a SSG.
But that would imply that Limit Breaker SS4 Xeno Goku and Vegeta are infinitely more powerful than their previous selves sooooo....
Dark King Mechikabura was smacking everyone and he was pretty much unbeatable until Xeno Trunks became a SSG.
But that would imply that Limit Breaker SS4 Xeno Goku and Vegeta are infinitely more powerful than their previous selves sooooo....
Greenshifter
Yeah nah SSG ritual being a constant amp I've left behind me.
Updated chain:
Base Crimson-Masked Saiyan << WiBC (Post-Amp) << SSJR Crimson < SSJR2 Crimson ~= SSJ WiBC (Pre-Amp) < SSJR3 Crimson ~= SSJ WiBC (Post-Amp) < CC Gogeta << TPU Mechikabura < DK Fu <= Xeno SSJ4 Vegito < SSJR3FP Crimson ~= CC SSJB Gogeta ~= Xeno SSJ4 Gogeta < ki-fused CC and Xeno Goku's Kamehameha = Dogi-Dogi fused Fu ~= Zen'o <= CC SSJBE Gogeta << UT-amped Fu < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku's Big Bang
Updated chain:
Base Crimson-Masked Saiyan << WiBC (Post-Amp) << SSJR Crimson < SSJR2 Crimson ~= SSJ WiBC (Pre-Amp) < SSJR3 Crimson ~= SSJ WiBC (Post-Amp) < CC Gogeta << TPU Mechikabura < DK Fu <= Xeno SSJ4 Vegito < SSJR3FP Crimson ~= CC SSJB Gogeta ~= Xeno SSJ4 Gogeta < ki-fused CC and Xeno Goku's Kamehameha = Dogi-Dogi fused Fu ~= Zen'o <= CC SSJBE Gogeta << UT-amped Fu < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku's Big Bang
Ottavio_Merluzzo
There's just an error, but it looks good regardless. Here :
Base Crimson-Masked Saiyan << WiBC (Pre-Amp) << SSJR Crimson < SSJR2 Crimson ~= SSJ WiBC (Pre-Amp) < SSJR3 Crimson < CC Gogeta << TPU Mechikabura < DK Fu <= Xeno SSJ4 Vegito < SSJR3FP Crimson ~= CC SSJB Gogeta ~= Xeno SSJ4 Gogeta < ki-fused CC and Xeno Goku's Kamehameha = Dogi-Dogi fused Fu ~= Zen'o <= CC SSJBE Gogeta << UT-amped Fu < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku's Big Bang
Base Crimson-Masked Saiyan << WiBC (Pre-Amp) << SSJR Crimson < SSJR2 Crimson ~= SSJ WiBC (Pre-Amp) < SSJR3 Crimson < CC Gogeta << TPU Mechikabura < DK Fu <= Xeno SSJ4 Vegito < SSJR3FP Crimson ~= CC SSJB Gogeta ~= Xeno SSJ4 Gogeta < ki-fused CC and Xeno Goku's Kamehameha = Dogi-Dogi fused Fu ~= Zen'o <= CC SSJBE Gogeta << UT-amped Fu < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku < UT-amped CC SSJB Goku's Big Bang
Greenshifter
Did you only remove Post-Amp? That's his PL in the tourney, AFAIK you can't prove that he's stronger than that now. I didn't even put his PL in base Pre-Amp btw.
Ottavio_Merluzzo
I mean yeah,but he asked Dark Shenron to draw out his power to his limit, so the amp he's gotten after BBM must be considerable.
We currently don't know the place in the scaling for UGM WiBC so I've refrained from using him.
We currently don't know the place in the scaling for UGM WiBC so I've refrained from using him.
Greenshifter
Did it take 4 minutes of screaming to achieve it? No? Thought so.
If he scales higher later that's fine, but I doubt we're gonna get any better placing for him considering only him and a fusion can offer someone a spot on this chain.
If he scales higher later that's fine, but I doubt we're gonna get any better placing for him considering only him and a fusion can offer someone a spot on this chain.
Ottavio_Merluzzo
He's going to fight a stronger Ultra Instinct Goku than the one Crimson fought, and he's also going to fight against Jiren. So who knows...
Greenshifter
I mean sure, but we’ll have to scale them off of him, so that can’t change his current position.
Greenshifter
Could/should I argue that SSJBE is a 10000 times amp? God Goku and Blue Vegeta were portrayed as equal in the Anilaza beam struggle.
If so SSJBE Gogeta might end up above UT Goku Blue lol.
If so SSJBE Gogeta might end up above UT Goku Blue lol.
Ottavio_Merluzzo
I'm not sure about that, mostly because we have no way of comparing Gogeta and Universal Blue Goku
Greenshifter
Oh ok, but like the multiplier itself should be fine?
Ottavio_Merluzzo
Yeah, i guess
Ottavio_Merluzzo
That looks god, although Broly reached Limit Breaker on his own, without receiving any God Ki.
Greenshifter
Hmm ok