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CloverDragon03
CloverDragon03
It's fine, I get being excited for buffs to verses you like. I've been looking for X784 and X791 feats to be honest, but I can't guarantee anything.
Eseseso
Eseseso
I mean, I just did that CRT for backscaling which would buff a lot of X791 people. And I'm considering doing a CRT on the multiplier of Natsu's LFDM and Gajeel's ISDM

Speaking of backscaling, if that Makarov feat of yours is put in, then depending on which end of the calc is accepted we're going to see even the people on Base X791 Natsu's level become way stronger than before.

Even if Mitch and the others only accept the Low-End (357.02 megatons), then even X791 Base Natsu will still be between 952 megatons (since X791 Base Natsu >= 2x DF Rogue/Sting = 4x Base Rogue/Sting >>> X791 Max > X784 Natsu = 1/3 of X784 DF Natsu = LFDM Natsu > X784 Hades >> X784 Makarov) and 1.247 gigatons (since X791 Natsu = Orga = 3825/365 times Millianna >> X791 Max).

Long story short, the scaling would be jacked.

Ironically, the X791 Laxus-Tiers and above would likely be more powerful calc-wise than the High 7-A Spriggans used to be.
CloverDragon03
CloverDragon03
There is no multiplier for LFDM and ISDM, you've gotta stop pushing for that. It's just an unquantifiable boost. Also, X791 Natsu would scale to X784 Makarov. (X791 Natsu ~ Hades Form Franmalth ~ Hades > X784 Makarov)

Also, the DF backscaling is contradicted by Erza comparing Natsu's LFDM to his DF, and his LFDM is way more than a 2x to 3x boost, so that revision is just not happening.
Eseseso
Eseseso
How does Erza's statement contradict backscaling? If anything it should support the backscaling since the X784 LFDM would have the same 2-3x multiplier as X784 DF Natsu, and since X784 LFDM Natsu beat Base Hades who is well above X784 Makarov, we know that X784 Base Natsu must have 1/2 to 1/3 of X784 LFDM's power and thus 1/2 to 1/3 of Base Hade's/Makarov's power (but for lowballing and safety let's assume 1/3).

But if you're right, then depending on which end of your calc is accepted we could see most X791 people become 7-A, 7-A+, or High 7-A+.

Actually, if the mid-end of 803.32 megatons is accepted, then since Base Hades stomped Makarov, he (and by extension Hades Franmalth) would likely upscale to Baseline High 7-A since the multiplier is only 1.244x and Hades easily stomped Makarov.

Even if the lowest end is used, Laxus tier X791 people still are 7-A+ (8544/3825*357.02) = 797 megatons.

And let's not get started on if the highest-end is used.
CloverDragon03
CloverDragon03
"How does Erza's statement contradict backscaling?"

Because a dual-element mode's initial usage is an addition of the two magic powers. In Natsu's case here, using our current AP ratings, that'd be his power of 2.6 megatons plus Laxus' 30.91 megatons. That is a ways off from a 2-3x multiplier.
Eseseso
Eseseso
Ok, then.

Speaking of, why is Gajeel's X791 ISDM only 2x his normal in its initial usage? Is there any evidence that it got weaker afterwards?
CloverDragon03
CloverDragon03
Dual-element modes are always weaker after their initial usage, for similar reasons to why normal FDKM Natsu is far below Igneel's Power FDKM Natsu: they're basically using their own power as a substitute.

So, in Natsu's case, now when he uses LFDM, he's using his own power as a substitute for Laxus' power since he didn't directly take in Laxus' power, making it an overall weaker transformation.
Eseseso
Eseseso
Ah, I see. That makes sense, thank you.
Eseseso
Eseseso
Just curious, are you trying to find as many X784/X791 feats as possible so you can post them all at once?
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