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But they're explicitly stronger. That exchange doesn't suggest he hasn't got his techniques, just that he's devolving.

Why wouldn't his AP scale to his normal body? Boros has been laying waste to the universe in this form, and is desperate for stimulus, which wouldn't really happen if his opponent wasn't even a threat. Plus, his other forms have similar strength to his durability.

I forgot they weren't Dragon level for a second there (it's one-shot scaling, btw). Still, Melz one-shot an opponent capable of of one-shotting Sky King. Unless Genos can one-shot pre-G4 Genos like his manga counterpart, I strongly doubt Boros is grossly below Mirror in this new scaling.

He never used his techniques in any of his transformations that were, again, one-shot or two-shot. Like, why would ONE be referring to his final monster form that existed for a grand total of one page as opposed to his original Awakened form that actually put up a fight, was considered very strong and survived attacks that could mutilate MB Boros?

That still doesn’t really point to his AP scaling to his durability though? I don’t get your point about his opponents not being a threat ngl.

I mean, I don’t see why Genos wouldn’t be able to do that. Melz one-shotting someone that can one-shot Sky King just makes him At least Small Town level, the calc he scales to isn’t high enough to even upscale to Small Town level+, let alone Town level.

The fact that his other forms were obliterated just shows that Garou actually didn't put up a good fight at all. Saitama was going extremely casual on him the entire time. Also, the moment Saitama went serious, Garou was being obliterated in every capacity even after he kept ramping up his strength and speed.

Beast King was also hit by consecutive normal punches. Does that mean Saitama used the same level of power against Beast King as he did against Boros?

Because they wouldn't be able to harm him even remotely. Tbh, I don't see any of this not pointing towards him being able to harm himself. He's a physical fighter who's on par with his durability in all other forms. We have no reason to believe differently.

By the way, the manga shows that this portion of his armour was partially intact and crumbled away. So this isn't applicable to the manga if that's part of the reason you had any reservations.

I do think it's a definite boost like I said before, but it's not that substantial in context. Genos constantly complains that he's not really growing much at all; Genos, even an upgrade later, can be severely injured by strong Demon level threats.

It's not based on upscaling Melz alone. It's based on the fact that Boros saw someone who one-shot a Melzalgald character and was absolutely confident in fighting on par with them.

On another note, do you think Psykos or Fubuki is lifting these rocks?

Obviously Saitama was casual, he’s casual against literally everyone. That doesn’t really change that he never used his techniques in his other monster forms and was considered very strong by Saitama. Hell, Saitama even said that he was impressed by Garou’s first awakened form. And again, his last form was only in the webcomic for a single page. To quote ONE’s statement, Garou would use his “excellent fighting ability (though I showed off and knocked down Saitama's attack many times)” which was only displayed by his first Awakened form. His second form did nothing like that, and his third form threw a single punch before getting beaten.

Okay, them not being able to harm him has nothing to do with Boros’ own AP. Also his other forms aren’t armored and have no AP feats that would suggest he scales to his own durability iirc.

Why does this matter, exactly? Genos doesn’t even scale to Mirror without his Roaring Dragon Core, and even then, he downscales. I don’t see how this relates to Boros at all.

That doesn’t really matter, it’s still not far enough for Boros to upscale. At best, he’d get At least Small Town level, likely far higher.

It looks like Psykos is lifting them to me.

We don't see him use techniques. That doesn't mean he didn't.

Being very strong isn't a reason to put him on par with Boros, it just puts him above the fodder that Saitama one-shots with an ultra casual blow.

You're treating this as if he has absolutely no ability to use the same martial arts as his other forms. Boros isn't Saitama, and absolutely isn't capable of one-shotting Garou in any capacity.

But, rather than continuing this, I'll just meet you in the middle here. I'll condense this to one key with no reference to which specific form scales. The reason I changed this was due to his speed ratings and Tatsumaki scaling.

Edit: I realise now that I forgot to change his durability previously. So I can understand some of the arguments.

Again, armoured has nothing to do with it. The non-armoured portion of his body would have taken some of the impact, as I explained before and you agreed with. He was fighting a Saitama that smashed off his arm.

Because of Garou scaling. Look at the sandbox.

K, that works for me. I feel like there’s still an argument for Tatsumaki possibly scaling to the meteor (not via scaling to Garou, but via her being able to push back Saitama even after he braced himself while he was pretty much unfazed by the meteor)

Ah, I was looking at Genos’ profile draft and I didn’t notice that. In that case, why don’t you just use the logic of Armored Boros > Melz = Dragon level > Demon levels that can damage Post-Zsimov Genos instead of scaling his AP to his durability?

For the record, I disagree with scaling AP to durability without reason for any character, like how Pesky Clown does. (Although him having Wall level durability in the first place due to being bulletproof seems weird to me ngl)

I'm kind of planning that with Monster Association scaling (see here), but I haven't figured out exactly who it would scale to because Psykos and Homeless Emperor are superior to Full Power Bang and Half-Monster Garou, both of whom have overpowered their members.

Unfortunately, Melz isn't a confirmed Dragon.

I meant to downgrade him to Street level. The thing with Pesky Clown is that he's also got strength on par with or higher than his durability in many forms because Sweet Mask was damaging him quite heavily.

Also, I've been thinking about scaling any character who can easily kill humans above Crablante, who's not confirmed to be Tiger level in the webcomic.

Well Psykos should scale imo, not sure about Homeless Emperor cause I don’t remember his scaling. I’d also say that Golden Sperm should scale since he’s superior to Psykos. Other than them, idk.

Are any of Boros’ generals confirmed to be Dragons? Also I just noticed that you have Human Garou at Small Town level to Town level, is it supposed to be like that or are you gonna change it?

Could you put that in his AP justification? Like; “Should be comparable to his durability because [insert reasoning]”

That makes sense to me. Would that put them at Wall level since he can damage concrete?

Seems good. I'll just scale those two and Tats.

Not in the WC.

It's supposed to be like that. He goes from fighting Genos to fighting 3 people who are on par with him after Bang and Bomb almost killed him.

Sure.

It's hard to tell how much concrete he damaged due to the bad art style.

By the way, Shell King is a Demon level threat with a bunch of Wolf level minions. Do you think this even potentially suggests he's one of the kings like DSK and Sky King?

Wait, how does Post-Zsimov Genos scale to Town level then?

True, I guess it could be anywhere from Street level to Wall level.

Hm, maybe. Any scaling between them should be a likely or possibly rating imo, since we don’t have explicitly confirmation that he’s on par with DSK and Sky King.

Because they still harmed him and survived his attacks. Plus, Garou isn't that much stronger given how Bang stomped him without using any power.

Seems good.

Then wouldn’t Human Garou just be Town level and not have a Small Town level statistic?

I suppose he wouldn’t downscale all that much. I’ll have to look into everything.

So with the meteor scaling, is there anyone that’d scale to Psykos, Golden Sperm and Tatsumaki other than peak Half-Monster Garou?

She could only immobilise full power Bang, so maybe him.

I wanted to run something else by you.

Tatsumaki has a ton of feats while weakened, and there's only a few days at best between the Monster Association and Psychic Sisters arc, with Tats having the same injuries during both arcs.

Do you think I could make another key for her weakened state just to save some formatting troubles?

Edit: I'll alter the profile so you see what I mean.

I suppose a weakened key could work if it’s needed for scaling, like All Might’s weakened key. Although I think both keys will end up being the same tier since they both scale to people that scale to the meteor.

Hey, wouldn’t Fubuki have Mountain level+ durability with the Psychic Whirlwind since she could deflect attacks from Psykos, who scales to the meteor?