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ByAsura
NikHelton
As I understand it, you reject both calculations?
I did not quite understand for what reasons the feat with a nuclear bomb was rejected. As I already wrote, he does not prove Mercer's strength, but casts doubt on the current rating of 8-A, likely Low 7-C.
At the expense of the percentage of emptiness of the tentacles. They themselves have a certain degree of emptiness, due to the fact that they are weaves of smaller tentacles. Plus, they do not cover all buildings and there is a lot of distance between them. I think 20% is the best I can offer.
Could you provide more accurate data so that I can use it to find the length of the tentacles? In this case, the attack speed also increases many times over.
And how do you feel about the current feat with the earthquake?
I did not quite understand for what reasons the feat with a nuclear bomb was rejected. As I already wrote, he does not prove Mercer's strength, but casts doubt on the current rating of 8-A, likely Low 7-C.
At the expense of the percentage of emptiness of the tentacles. They themselves have a certain degree of emptiness, due to the fact that they are weaves of smaller tentacles. Plus, they do not cover all buildings and there is a lot of distance between them. I think 20% is the best I can offer.
Could you provide more accurate data so that I can use it to find the length of the tentacles? In this case, the attack speed also increases many times over.
And how do you feel about the current feat with the earthquake?
NikHelton
Do you mean the LS feat through the rupture of steel?
Do you mean the LS feat through the rupture of steel?
ByAsura
I don't reject the nuke one, I was just mentioning that it doesn't even slightly scale to his durability anymore (it used to). I didn't know that was your intention, though, so I agree with you here.
I'm saying that 85% hollowness is too low, not too high. It's probably closer to 98%, or something.
I'll give you some info on the speed and distance below.
Given the downgrades in Ruin's current calculation (which was previously magnitude 5), it might be downgraded to magnitude 3 or 4. Also, why does Mercer scale above her? He got his ass handed to him for 2/3rds of the fight, including being brushed away by her shockwave in a cutscene, and only absorbed Greene once she left Mother. Mother is a massive culmination of Biomass, so objectively Greene <<< Mother.
Attack potency of rupturing reinforced concrete. It's for early James Heller and similar characters. A rough calculation gets Small Building level results.
I'm saying that 85% hollowness is too low, not too high. It's probably closer to 98%, or something.
I'll give you some info on the speed and distance below.
Given the downgrades in Ruin's current calculation (which was previously magnitude 5), it might be downgraded to magnitude 3 or 4. Also, why does Mercer scale above her? He got his ass handed to him for 2/3rds of the fight, including being brushed away by her shockwave in a cutscene, and only absorbed Greene once she left Mother. Mother is a massive culmination of Biomass, so objectively Greene <<< Mother.
Attack potency of rupturing reinforced concrete. It's for early James Heller and similar characters. A rough calculation gets Small Building level results.
ByAsura
I don't live in America, let alone NYC, but I'll try my best here.
In Prototype 1, they destroyed all the bridges and tried to blow up Manhattan, but failed due to the intervention of Alex Mercer. The upper half (known as the Dead Zone in Prototype 2) of Manhattan was reduced to rubble by the shockwave, and very little life—infected or otherwise—exists, aside from patrols, a handful of Mercer's infected and Mercer himself.
The Red Zone in Prototype 2 extends from roughly Times Square to The Battery, which is a distance of just under 7 kilometres if we don't account for streets. Doing a street view (I just looked up 'distance between times square and battery manhattan' on google), it's 4.2-6.2 miles.
The location that Heller and Mercer fought/the epicentre of the tentacles was roughly around here, which is just beyond the Flatiron building (in Times Square) and almost at the frontier of the Dead Zone.
As for the size of each tentacle, as I said before, they're about as big as an infected. So maybe try assuming they're the diameter of a person's torso and assuming there's between 5-10 on one street at a time (I counted 6-8, usually).
In Prototype 1, they destroyed all the bridges and tried to blow up Manhattan, but failed due to the intervention of Alex Mercer. The upper half (known as the Dead Zone in Prototype 2) of Manhattan was reduced to rubble by the shockwave, and very little life—infected or otherwise—exists, aside from patrols, a handful of Mercer's infected and Mercer himself.
The Red Zone in Prototype 2 extends from roughly Times Square to The Battery, which is a distance of just under 7 kilometres if we don't account for streets. Doing a street view (I just looked up 'distance between times square and battery manhattan' on google), it's 4.2-6.2 miles.
The location that Heller and Mercer fought/the epicentre of the tentacles was roughly around here, which is just beyond the Flatiron building (in Times Square) and almost at the frontier of the Dead Zone.
As for the size of each tentacle, as I said before, they're about as big as an infected. So maybe try assuming they're the diameter of a person's torso and assuming there's between 5-10 on one street at a time (I counted 6-8, usually).
NikHelton
If we take magnitude 4, we will get 8-B, but it seems to me it is more reasonable to use magnitude 3.5 since we do not see damage, and the radius is quite small. This will give us a High 8-C and is consistent with the calculation of a nuclear bomb.
However, then there is a question with the final feat of Heller, because using your data and the speed, which thanks to the increased distance now reaches 1500 m/sec, I got a result of 2 Megatons, which is a clear outlier.
Therefore, my initial calculation seemed safer to me.
However, then there is a question with the final feat of Heller, because using your data and the speed, which thanks to the increased distance now reaches 1500 m/sec, I got a result of 2 Megatons, which is a clear outlier.
Therefore, my initial calculation seemed safer to me.
NikHelton
I calculated the diameter of the tentacle in my calculation. In the frame we see that the diameter is about 0.4 meters.
I calculated the diameter of the tentacle in my calculation. In the frame we see that the diameter is about 0.4 meters.
ByAsura
The size is fine, then, and consistent with what I'm saying.
Like I said before, it's probably the hollowness, and I don't think using the return speed works here because it's not actually combat applicable (also, Heller's next to the Empire State Building for some reason). If we assume they're 10 km long and moved at 1000 m/s, we get 600 tons of TNT. And those are with high-balled values (the speed's probably closer to 700 m/s).
Like I said before, it's probably the hollowness, and I don't think using the return speed works here because it's not actually combat applicable (also, Heller's next to the Empire State Building for some reason). If we assume they're 10 km long and moved at 1000 m/s, we get 600 tons of TNT. And those are with high-balled values (the speed's probably closer to 700 m/s).
ByAsura
I'm just going to do my own calculation. I'll get back to you.
NikHelton
Yes, it was great, because using a length of 6 km and a speed of 500 m/sec, I got a result of 11 kilotons. You can see my updated calculation at the same link, but to be honest I want to see your version too.
NikHelton
It seems to me more fair to use the width of the island as the diameter of the volley and get the radius and length of the tentacles at 1.9 km
NikHelton
You threw off the game card. Could you circle where they were?
NikHelton
Okay, I've already found it myself and made the calculation. You can watch it. Later, I'd like to compare it with your version.
ByAsura
Sorry, game card?
NikHelton
Game map*
NikHelton
In any case, I already found it and used it for the calculation
NikHelton
Have you done your calculation yet?
ByAsura
I've been out for a few days. I'll do it.