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What kind of shock wave pressure did you use to calculate? I tried to do a similar feat for TG, however, a member of the calc group said that this wave is not strong enough. As I understand it, the basic formulas use pressure capable of tearing a person apart, but does this apply to this feat?

I didn't make the calculation myself, but the feat for Ohma works by calculating the KE for Ohma shaking a portion of the stadium itself, something along those lines.


Which TG feat did you try using it for? Mind linking it?

During the fight, Seido and Amon cross the clinics, creating a shockwave that overtakes Kurona.
Eto also creates shockwaves during his attack at the very end of the story.

Like actual visual scans, it's been years since I've read TG or TG;RE. With them I can try to argue for it since it seems silly not to use the formula whenever they're shown doing so.

I have recalculated the Kenga feats and found the main mistake in the Ohma feat that shakes the arena. What do you think?

Thanks I appreciate the help but the only two issues I've had are Demonsbane and Wakatsuki's first feat.



Demonsbane is currently being handled by DragonGamerXZY, so I'd like to focus on his version given his experience with those type of calculations. So let's get that evaluated and dealt with first before we proceed further, we'll need a calc group thread to decide on which end is the best.


As for Wakatsuki's feat shaking the top half of a mountain is frankly impossible without affecting the bottom portion of said mountain. It only the top half shook violently then the bottom of the mountain would collapse due to the stress put at the top.


As for Ohma's shaking feat I think we actually do use meters over kilometers on the wiki for this particular formula. I can ask Dragon about it since he did the calculation himself if you'd like.

Also I'd probably use a scale of 5 for Wakatsuki's earthquake given that he shook a massive superstructure with one blow, said super structure was in a mountain so that should increase it's overall stability which explains why no damage was done.

This would be true if it was a classic earthquake coming from underground, but not when its source is located directly inside the building. In theory, even 4.5 should have been enough to make the slab on which the fighters are fighting collapse. But let's put it down to the author's ignorance of the laws of physics.

The mountain can shake even at lower magnitudes, the degree of destruction plays a role here. At magnitude 5, the destruction of the building is already present, and at 4, the walls begin to crack a little, and people react to an earthquake. I chose something in the middle and that's fair.

Considering the thickness of said slab I don't think it would collapse due to the material and quality of construction. Magnitude 5 earthquakes actually don't cause any damage to well built or super structure, the Purgatory Dome being the latter.


This is the definition of a Magnitude 5 Earthquake. Can cause damage of varying severity to poorly constructed buildings. Zero to slight damage to all other buildings. Felt by everyone.


Magnitude 5 doesn't damage buildings such as the Purgatory Dome so I think that's fair.

I already answered you in the comments under the blog about the bottom of the mountain. Due to the unstable proportions of the author, we end up with 1 result, so my version does not reduce the feat.

I am somewhat confused by DragonGamer's calculation regarding the Demonsbane, because its explosion diameter goes up somewhere, in the direction of the flying dust and is probably overestimated. If the shock wave covered the entire dust cloud, which has a density comparable to the density of air (according to DMUA), the cloud would immediately be dispersed without a trace, but this is not observed. We see something similar to a shock wave at the very bottom and a cloud of dust flying in the direction of the attack.

Regarding "As for Ohm's shaking feat I think we actually do use meters over kilometers on the wiki for this particular formula". Compare the same DG calculation for the Ohma's earthquake and the Wakatsuki earthquake. The feat of the latter has a 6 times larger radius and a larger magnitude, but it is still weaker. The whole reason is that in the Wakatsuki feat, the correct value in kilometers was used, and in the Ohma feat DG forgot to convert meters to kilometers and we got the strength of a magnitude 4 earthquake if it had a radius of 54 km.

Your judgment is still valid when the earthquake is located underground, but not directly in the object that is subject to destruction. Seismic activity caused by the hearth should still leave destruction in its epicenter. You can compare it to an explosion and a shock wave. It's one thing to be far away from an explosion and be exposed only to a shock wave. Another thing is to get to the epicenter, where there is much more energy.

And I doubt that the tile is so strong that it can withstand an 8-B+ energy source without visible damage, while it was damaged by much weaker attacks.

I'll talk to DragonGamer about the Low 7-C Ohma feat once he gets on and then I'll come back to you on those feats.



Most of the power generated from the epicenter was absorbed into Fei and Redirectied via the Water Kata so Fei was the one who took the brunt of the attack. Fei took the blow, and the shaking still happened, like I said above shaking only a portion of a mountain is impossible to achieve without shaking the entire mountain, from the top shaking the bottom would have also shaken.


Said 8-B+ source was mainly taken in by Fei and due to how shockwaves and earthquakes work the full force wouldn't be exerted solely on the stadium but rather spread to the entire surface.

You do not quite understand what I am telling you. See the size of the mountain bottom measured by DragonGamer and the size of the bottom I got. They are identical.
I already wrote that the radius does not matter here, because the distance over which the earthquake has spread is too small. You can substitute 100 or 10 meters into the formula and you will get the same result.

Faye took almost no damage from the attack.
He first of all redirected the damage, which caused the destruction, and scattered the rest over the body, which led to the fact that he flew several meters without taking damage. But when he could no longer redirect the energy and really took most of the damage, he was on his knees.

I did, Dragon is also calculating shaking the entire mountain as opposed to your's which is assuming he just shook the very top portion of it. I'm aware of the radius, I'm referring to the diameter.


Yeah that's the point of the Kata to disperse damage but that doesn't mean that Fei wasn't the one who absorbed most of the brunt of Wakatsuki's attack. Point being that Fei himself took the majority of Wakatsuki's attack so the shaking wouldn't cause much damage to anything considering Fei would have absorbed most of the impact force. Get what I mean? Think of it like those bed commercials, you've got eggs at the bottom of the stuffing of the bed. Take a sledgehammer and hit the stuffing, it absorbs the KE of the sledgehammer and the eggs remain unharmed.

Fey does not have any technique that can armature damage. For this effect, Fey needs an extra layer of tissue to absorb energy. Like Po in Kung Fu Panda. He only relaxes his body in order to receive minimum damage from the attack and fly off as from a push. We have already seen this in Baki verse. Everything he redirected caused a shaking, and the rest of the energy that he dissipated sent him flying.

And about the feat with the mountain. Perhaps the translator is misinterpreting my thoughts and you do not understand me. The diameter of the mountain bottom measured by DragonGamer is absolutely identical to the diameter of the earthquake that I indicated in the calculation. I can take DragonGamer's measurements entirely, assuming the mountain was completely shaken, but the result is the same. Just compare the resulting earthquake diameter for me and his. And again, the radius of the earthquake does not play any role here, because it is negligible. You can take a whole kilometer as a diameter and get similar results.

I talked to Ugarik and he said that Wakatsuki's feat is not valid because the shaking was not of a prolonged nature and is not an earthquake.

Tokita's feat in Ashura can be calculated as a shock wave, but we need to calculate the pressure of the shock wave, because we cannot use the standard value of the shock wave of the explosion in the flashback, which is in the Arena, since the explosion should create enormous destruction, but this was not in the arena, and in the flashback we saw only a few broken trees, which is not enough.

I'll reply to this in a few hours.

Okay sorry I've been busy for so long, life has been chaotic. But I should have the Kengan Revisions done by tomorrow, Tier 7 is unfortunately getting axed aside from perhaps Ohma's Demonsbane depending on which end is preferred by the calf members.


Ohma's shaking feat is now 15 tons. Now I'm just waiting for Takeshi's feat to get adjusted.


God Tier are gonna be something along the lines of 8-B+ to maybe low end 8-A.

I spoke with Ugarik about Demonsbane's feat and he agreed that using a mountain to scale the radius of the shockwave is wrong. We may have to go back to using the tree crown width.

Ugarik is not sure about earthquakes either, because none of them are long lasting. Ohma's feat against Wakatsuki should be calculated using the shockwave formula, but you should change the pressure as no actual damage was done. Now I ask Ugarik what other ways of calculating the feat of Wakatsuki in the battle with Fey are there other than an earthquake.

One calculation member disagreeing isn't valid especially whenever he mistook your reply as Takeshi's feat without further context. ( Translation tools are easy to use so I was able to translate what he said.) so that doesn't really change much in the long run, even with replacing Takeshi's feat in Omega it's still above 300 tons, and with Fei's Divine Demon multiplier we'd end up with results similar to Demonsbane, barely reaching baseline Low 7-C.




Ultimately we'd have to resort taking a calculation group thread for which method is preferred, however the God Tiers would still be 8-B+ to possibly baseline small town level from Fei's Divine Demon which doesn't apply to Kengan Ashura's feats including the 8-A stuff. No matter how we'd cut it we'd end up with 8-B+ God Tiers for Ashura and Ohma would be able to reflect attacks 5x stronger than himself with Demonsbane and nobody scales to Demonsbane.



Overall the revision wouldn't downgrade the character's astronomically.