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Well my problem is that unlike something like, say, super Saiyan forms, which very clearly stack on each other, the power cores in everything outside of gameplay have no shown stacking of their boosts to previous boosts. The only times we see the effect of multiple power cores are

A. Tricore, which is not an 8x boost but rather an infinite boost and thus likely not just the power cores

B. Heroes, which does not display the type of stacking that is currently accepted.

So there are zero showings of a 2^n boost, and one showing of an (n+1) times boost.

Starline should be 2-C even without the Tricore tbh, he has feats for such, like destroying Modern Era Badniks without it

You cannot use the gameplay at all, it simply isn't allowed, so you would do best to drop it

You didn't really answered my logic as to why it logically would work like that tho, like... i even gave math logic to justify how it not working like that doesn't make matematical sense, so... could you actually talk about it? It is kind of important for the point

If I don't use the gameplay then straight up there is NO confirmed multiplier of power cores above 1, so it would just be "higher with more power cores" after the initial 2x boost. The Emeralds and fake Emeralds would follow suit, if we continue to treat them as multipliers.

And like, your logic is just straight up not represented at all in any of the Sonic media. There has never been a confirmed showing that 2 power cores makes you 4x stronger, 3 makes you 8x stronger, etc. While at 2 power cores you can say that the doubling effects being added vs stacked wouldn't make a difference, it starts becoming different with 3 cores, since adding the boosts in parallel as opposed to series would make it 6x vs 8x. Then 4 cores would be 8x vs 16x. And so on. But even this isn't represented anywhere. The only confirmed multiplier we have for multiple cores is that 2 cores triples base power, and 3 cores quadruples.

If we don't use gameplay we go by what would logically happen... which is the multiplier is applied again, cuz it is a multiplier... like, why would it lose the multiplicative aspect just cuz it is two being used? Like... you have provided no proof or precedent for your logic, multiplying something twice... will multiply it twice

Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence, not being shown doesn't make it false when logically speaking we KNOW how multipliers act when the base value is multiplied multiple times, again, stop dodging the very basic mathematical logic i showed, as it is a base for the argument, and actually address it, i don't know why you are dodging it so much when... if you don't address it directly, you kind of don't have a point

also "being added instead of stacked"? First of all, they are MULTIPLICATIVE, not ADDITIVE, adding a multiplier to an equation will make it be multiplied by the number added, plain and simple... this is like... basic math stuff, idk why you are saying as if it was anything other than a multiplier, plus for the Dragon Ball forms... we have as much evidence of stacking there as we have here, aka, many multipliers being applied at the base value at once

Don't do headcanon or guess work, PROVE it would be additive instead of multiplicative, aka, PROVE that the multiplier stops working after another one is added, cuz, by basic Math principles, adding 2 multipliers will result in both being applied, that is NOT debatable, it is factually how math works

Also, no, we DON'T have any in verse proof that 2 cores "triple", at all, again, stop using game mechanics, PROVE that they are usable and canon in universe, else, i will not take it seriously as it is simple non canon to the story, just a game mechanic, and that's it, why do you think we didn't had the 2x until the IDW comics came around?

I don't think you are using burden of proof correctly, like genuinely where is the evidence power cores multiply each other? All we have is a statement they multiply a user's base power by 2. That is it. You need to prove they multiply other power cores.

And I'm not dodging anything because you genuinely have no evidence of the cores multiplying each other. This is the absolute most generous interpretation of power cores so you need to PROVE that your approach is accurate, I'm trying to be generous by saying each core is an additive double to make 2x+2x+2x when the only instance I've seen is doubling to tripling to quadrupling.

Why are you talking about multiplying other Power Cores? That makes no sense... no one said anything of the such, I am, and always were, talking about the base value being multiplied, nothing more nothing less, if you multiply a base value, it is multiplied, multiplying it again doesn't make it... non multipliable

x * 2 = 2x, aka, the base value is now 2x, so doing 2x * 2 = 4x

That's basic math principals, idk how you even overcomplicated such simple calculations, when you add a multiplier to an equation, you add it as a multiplier, not as an additive, like... I legit don't know how i could possibly simplify this more, I will ask for proof again as to why a multiplier would lose its multiplicative effect on the base value just because it is already being multiplied... that makes no sense, why would it LOSE attributes?

And again, i never said the cores are multiplying eachother? Where did you even get that from? I don't NEED to prove what i never affirmed to begin with, 2x + 2x + 2x is not the right equation you should be using, you are trying to say that each power core has a set ammount of power that is given with each one, instead of it multiplying what is already there, it would be "1 x 2 x 2 x 2" aka, adding another multiplier that is being applied in addition to the other ones, that is how multiplication works, the base value being made bigger by another multiplier doesn't change that

You'd have to prove that an extra power core would double the doubling effect, which would be equivalent to doubling the core's effect itself. And I disagree with that.

Why would i need to prove that the doubling effect itself is being doubled? I never said that, the new multiplier is just being applied to the base value along side the old multiplier

The doubling effect is unchanged... people you are just using two doubling effects at once, thus doubling your power two times

What do you think happens when you multiply a value that was already multiplied? Or better yet, if you think it would only double to base, non multiplied value... well, the end result is the same, here, i'll write an equation to exemplify what i mean:

(X x 2) + (X x 2)
2x + 2x
4x

You only go up to 2 cores with this. If you go to 3 cores that's 6x, whereas the current method is 8x. And the disparity only grows as you add more cores.

No it wouldn't?
Oh i see, i put the "()" lol sorry. Was working on something else and got confised

x X 2 = 2x, this is for one power core, x's new value is 2x, then with another power core, x is multiplied again, thus, 2x X 2 = 4x, then now the new value for x is 4x, with another power core, 4x X 2 = 8x


Do you see the logic? The base value is having multiple multipliers applied at once, so obviously as x changes, so does the value of being multiplied

Yes, that was my issue, I don’t see a reason the cores would stack. I think they all just have an individual double effect on base power and thus either all add +1x or add an extra 2x, but don’t multiply each other because the visual showings don’t back up exponential growth.

Again, they don't multiply eachother, the base value that is being multiplied just gets higher as the power core is powering up said base value, but you are saying as if 3 characters had it doubled and then the 3 fused? It makes no sense, the base power is not there anymore to be multiplied, only the already enhanced power

do you have any evidence for it to be an "individual doubling effect"? Cuz you showed no legit showings of such, nothing contradicts the straightforward assumptions of it following basic math principles... being "stacked" on top of eachother is the basic assumption cuz it is LITERALLY how multipliers work, else it wouldn't be a multiplier

Nothing contradicts except, y’know

THE ONLY SOURCE IN EXISTENCE OF A QUANTITATIVE EFFECT FROM MULTIPLE POWER CORES.

Like idk why this is so hard to grasp, the concept of power cores being exponential is directly contradicted by the only game appearance of power cores, you have to prove that multiple power cores works as exponential.

Gameplay isn't a source, stop hammering game mechanics as canon without proving that they are, i don't need to further prove something that isn't an argument to begin with, HP is NOT CANON, game mechanics are NOT CANON, stop using them, it is explicitly against the rules even, and as i explained, it also makes no sense for them to work the way you are saying