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Hagoromo gave them the sun and moon seals, which lead to the chibaku tensei.

When Hagoromo took it back, Sasuke kept the rinnegan.

Moon level+ (Received half of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's power alongside Sasuke. Momentarily matched Kaguya's Gentle Fist with his chakra arms and sliced her arm off with a chakra claw. His Rasenshuriken was able to completely obliterate Madara's Chibaku Tensei, creating immense blasts), far higher with Six Paths Kurama Avatar).

Received half of Hagoromo's power = Hagormo Six Paths Chakra, alongside Sasuke.
You didn't explain to me why Sasuke awakened his Rinnegan so immediately compared to Madara, who took decades to awaken despite having the same Hashirama's cells. Sasuke (Has Indra chakra) got Hashirama's cell and he awakened instantly, Madara (Also has Indra chakra) and got Hashirama's cells, but it took him near-death to awaken? Why? It is because Sasuke is not the same as Madara. What Sasuke gained is Six Path powers and what Madara gained is only Hashirama's cells.

Sasuke says both him and Naruto have Six Path Power. Having Rinnegan =/= Having Six Paths Powers, so why Sasuke said he has Six Paths power? Madara didn't have Six Path powers or chakra at all when he got Rinnegan but until he absorbs Shinju. That's why he said, "So, this is Sage of Six Paths power". So why did Sasuke say he has Six Path powers alongside Naruto? It is because he received Six Path Chakras from Hagoromo, Kabuto healed him somehow also made him meet Hagoromo and then he received half of his power.

The rating is wrong, but that's a heavy controversial topic since I thought we weren't scaling off of Chibaku Tensei. Oh well.

It could be quantity that explains why it took so damn long for Madara to get it. Madara got probably a square inch of Hashirama cells, which he had to put on his wound (the exterior) then wait for it to mix w/ his DNA and such. Sasuke directly got them put inside of his body instead of them sitting on a wound.

That half of Hagoromo's power was the moon seal. Check this thread for more information about what was given to them.

Madara clearly didn't know what he was talking about, Hagoromo confirmed that when he awakened the Rinnegan, he got some of Hagoromo's power.

Six Paths Power also refers to Six Paths Senjutsu. Six Paths Power has a shit ton of different meanings.
Six Paths Chakra.
Six Paths Senjutsu.

From what I said above, it shows that Madara was on BS, and the originator of Six Paths Chakra confirmed that when you mix Indra and Asura power (Hashirama's cells and Sasuke's indra half), you get Six Paths powers.

Even Madara has an ****** when he gets both of their chakra.

since I thought we weren't scaling off of Chibaku Tensei.

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We currently are, but truth be told I don't really agree with it.

It's favoritism to bring the verse's god tiers to higher levels.

They didn't stop Nagato from being Island level because of an outlier, but because the Chibaku Tensei wasn't correlated to his AP or Dura in any way.

So higher tiers get favoritism for what reason?

My thoughts exactly. If the God tiers scale to their CTs, then so should Nagato, and vice versa.

I'll bring it up in the War Arc thread

Don't worry, you won't be the only one.
But be warned Tempest, it'll definitely be contentious as **** lol.

We're basically arguing "he's not tier 5 no more", that's gonna be a big ass issue

No, he would still be tier 5 due to scaling to Toneri.
He probably won't be downgraded at all.
It's the principle itself that'll catch heat lol.

It could be quantity that explains why it took so damn long for Madara to get it. Madara got probably a square inch of Hashirama cells, which he had to put on his wound (the exterior) then wait for it to mix w/ his DNA and such. Sasuke directly got them put inside of his body instead of them sitting on a wound.

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Hashirama's cells have been shown to affect very quickly. I doubt this is the case.

That half of Hagoromo's power was the moon seal.

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Both. Hagoromo gave Sasuke his Six Path Chakras and the moon seal.

Regardless. Here I quoted from the Naruto wiki.

After receiving half of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's chakra, Sasuke awakened a Rinnegan in his left eye, with three tomoe on each of its two innermost circles.[56] However, should Sasuke's chakra reserves fall to a certain level, the tomoe vanish and the Rinnegan takes on the commonly known appearance.[56] Unlike his lower dōjutsu, Sasuke's Rinnegan is permanently active, apparently unable to revert to its original state. Despite this, it has no affect on his stamina or chakra levels. Likewise, Sasuke's Rinnegan can still access the techniques and abilities of his left Mangekyō Sharingan.

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It says after receiving half of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's chakra, Sasuke awakened a Rinnegan in his left eye. It DIDN'T say after having Hashirama's cells implanted into his body and healed by Kabuto, Sasuke awakened a Rinnegan in his left eye.

I also find this (from the data-book) - Scan. Regarding Sasuke's teleportation jutsu. Similar to this scan of mine above that explains why he says he and Naruto BOTH have Six Path Powers.

It's ninjutsu that uses the "Rinnegan", entrusted to him by the Sage of the Six Paths.

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Hashirama's cells have been shown to affect very quickly. I doubt this is the case.

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Modified Cells from Orochimaru? Maybe.
Healing? Probably.
Madara didn't cultivate his cells for the best result, he bit his skin off.
That's why when Kabuto gave him a chest full of Hashirama cells everything was faster.
We can't speak for that, since we don't know the difference between his cells and his raw skin.

Both. Hagoromo gave Sasuke his Six Path Chakras and the moon seal.

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They make it known when they get something from someone.
When they get the limbo clone, they say they're gonna use Sage Power. Here too. Here too.
When they're about to seal him, they say Jutsu Hagoromo gave us.

It says after receiving half of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's chakra, Sasuke awakened a Rinnegan in his left eye. It DIDN'T say after having Hashirama's cells implanted into his body and healed by Kabuto, Sasuke awakened a Rinnegan in his left eye.

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The fandom needs to back their information up. The only chapter they site about that is this chapter that doesn't even say the words Six Paths.

I quote the fandom.

Despite his fragile state and damaged legs, Kabuto Yakushi regarded Nagato as his second most powerful reincarnated shinobi, second only to an enhanced Madara Uchiha.

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This has never been stated on canon at all. Trust me, Damage just gave me a task to go through all of shippuden manga last week, and I saw nothing of the sort.
The fandom is run by humans too. How this wiki has it's flaws, the fandom does as well. If they don't site their source, the information is useless.

I also find this (from the data-book) - Scan. Regarding Sasuke's teleportation jutsu. Similar to this scan of mine above that explains why he says he and Naruto BOTH have Six Path Powers.

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From what I see, it just says the jutsu came from Hagoromo, which makes more sense since no other rinnegan users we see can teleport.

If Six Paths Chakra gave rinnegan, then Kakashi would've gotten rinnegan from Obito.

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No, he would still be tier 5 due to scaling to Toneri.
He probably won't be downgraded at all.
It's the principle itself that'll catch heat lol.

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Toneri used truthseeking orbs, which will be discussed as well.
And I can't find out how Naruto scales to his telekinesis.

Toneri used truthseeking orbs, which will be discussed as well.

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And I can't find out how Naruto scales to his telekinesis.

The 5-C+ calc is that high due to taking into account the KE energy produced by cutting the moon in half and the two halves getting launched kilometers in opposite directions, so TSO or not, I don't see the calc getting downgraded.
That is assuming the cutting feat gets dismissed as matter hax, which is still usually assigned an AP value regardless on the wiki in some instances.

As for Telekinesis, I don't think Naruto scales to that at all. I think Deva Path users scale to Toneri's lifting strength with their TK though.

In any case, it'll be interesting to see how this whole thing shapes up in the near future lol. It'll be a shit storm of epic proportions.

Agreed

FYI

• Golden Wheel Reincarnation Explosion: While using Tenseigan Chakra Mode, Toneri focuses a tremendous amount of chakra into one of his Truth Seeking Balls and grasps it in his hand to create a giant golden sword of pure chakra, capable of easily slicing the entire moon in half with a single swipe.

It's similar to how Naruto turned TSOs into Bijuudama Rasenshuriken. They transmute the TSO into Chakra, losing the Matter-Hax

Huh, didn't know that...
Neat.

Ehh, I don't think it works like that. I mean, it's a possibility (I won't 100% shut it down), but idk.

Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken: With help from Kurama, Naruto converts his Truth-Seeking Ball into a Tailed Beast Ball, and adds wind-natured chakra to create the shuriken-like blades around it before hurling it at the target. The resulting explosion dwarfs that of a regular Tailed Beast Ball and can destroy multiple planetoid-like objects in one blast.

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I would've agreed on that if the "Tailed Beast Balls" didn't come back to Naruto.
Naruto uses every Gudōdama on his back to make the Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshurikens.
We see them blow up, so you would think that since they were transmuted into something they would just be destroyed like regular Bijuudamas.
They all fly back to Naruto. They weren't destroyed at all.
The databook says that Truth-Seeking Orbs are similar to Tailed Beast Bombs here.

Obtaining the power of the ten bodies of the tailed beasts is the same as owning the power of the Sage of Six Paths. It's also accompanied by black orbs that are similar to the "Tailed Beast Ball".

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That's probably why it could be used as a "Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken".

I don't think it's losing it's hax, it's just getting additional properties. If Naruto didn't turn it into a rasenshuriken, it would've just put a 6 diameter wide circle through the meteor (which wouldn't do anything).

I think Toneri just focused his chakra (like it says) into the truthseeking orb, the same way that SPSenjutsu users focus Yin Yang chakra into their TSO.

But there's still the possibility that TSOs lose their Hax if they're changed

Limited Transmutation (Can create Truth-Seeking Balls and modify their shape and properties, such as turning one into a cage for Hinata)

Hinata was never given any resistance to Matter Manipulation and IIRC there were Ability CRTs trying to give her that resistance that were either denied or never concluded

Well, I'm not saying she should have it, but it is possible since she has a little bit of Six Paths chakra I suppose.