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Arc7Kuroi
Hagane_no_Saiyajin
Might Hub's commentary on the thread affect it?
Arc7Kuroi
No lol
Hagane_no_Saiyajin
Well, I recorded the audio on my iPhone, not sure how to upload it onto the forum
Arc7Kuroi
You don’t need to upload it lol the thread is concluded, I just gotta type everything
Hagane_no_Saiyajin
Maybe we can make a new thread to this time upgrade Bankai Yamamoto, Gremmy, Kenpachi, Yhwach, etc. to 4-A!
Arc7Kuroi
Hahaha idk if that’ll ever fly hear but maybe when the anime comes out or we get some databooks I’ll put sumn together
Hagane_no_Saiyajin
vsbattles.fandom.com
Might be worth a try,maybe we should try to ignore Damage's arguments this time
Gremmy creates outer space dimension
vsbattles.fandom.com
Might be worth a try,
Arc7Kuroi
I have my personal gripes with that calc
Hagane_no_Saiyajin
Also, I'm not sure if I can agree with the new rating for Unohana, because I asked about Base Shikai Aizen vs Unohana and this is what I got back (it's a bible passage):
Hmm this is difficult question... I think Sōsuke Aizen in his base with shikai pre hogyuko would win ! The reason for that is because unohana is very powerful indeed but after the time skip through Data books and anime/manga we learn that while other captains such as byakuya, kenpachi, and toshiro have become very powerful even relative to Aizen somewhat, but unohana's power has stagnated as she rarely fights. She powerful enough to kill 'Spirits are forever with you' kenpachi over and over again, this same kenpachi took down 3 sternritter and was one shotted by fake yhwach, while a weakened Yamamoto with in shikai with one arm was able to albeit for very small time skirmish with the fake yhwach, and that Sōsuke Aizen was said to be relative to him. Yamamoto in his shikai has statements saying that he is the strongest shinigami for the past 1000 years that would include Unohana.
Another thing is that kisuke urahara in the CFYOW novels is stated by tokinada to one shot guys like him. And tokinada is equal and comparable to the nobles including TYBW byakuya, yoruichi and isshin. That same kisuke urahara then goes up against a Fullbringer named Aura michibane who on the same level on power as base Sōsuke Aizen, kisuke urahara does well against her using high level kidos like 99 but she beats kisuke urahara up. Kisuke being stated to one shot guys like tokinada is major thing and tokinada if I recall correctly is lower than Aizen as he himself states he as not nearly enough SP when using kyoka suigetsu kyoka suigetsu and ryujin jakka. How this match to unohana is that byakuya kuchiki was able blow Gerard Valkyrie's head off, but even if you don't want to count that, kisuke fought and defeated askin nakk le var, one the strongest sternritter and a member of the elite guard.
I know renji said that "we have been training to become relative to guys like Aizen" but this statement has little value and surely does not apply to byakuya let alone renji post timeskip, in the data books it was stated even with one arm Yamamoto was stated to be the strongest captains, and in bis shikai which Aizen is relative too, he killed two about 2 sternritters, blew away as nodt the same guy who stole byakuya's bankai (to do that you must be relative to the person from whom ur stealing from as said by yhwach) and as nodt and nanana najakoba something that wierd sternritter whose name I don't remember both got bodied by shikai Yamamoto and only survived cause bazz b a sternritter relative to shikai Yamamoto as he cancelled his flames to save as nodt and the other guy. And another thing to note is that Aizen feared kenpachi zaraki's potential (feared doesn't mean if I through kenpachi in the ring with Aizen he's gonna cut him) it just means he might evolve to awaken his shikai mid battle if Aizen was winning and he might become more potentially if Aizen played around. And Aizen after slaughtering the Gotei 13 in Fake karakura he went to Yamamoto and said now with your army gone it's not even easy for you to stop me, and Aizen continued to say that if you were to fall the Gotei 13 would be done for, this is very important cause when Aizen made this statement UNOHANA WAS LITERALLY METERS AWAY FROM HIM AND HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO MENTIONED HER.(edited)
He made contingency plans for Yamamoto cause he knew Yamamoto was stronger he feared zaraki's potential to achieve zanjutsu but now in the same way as Yamamoto as it was said 'Spirits are forever with you' that Aizen with each next evolution of the hogyuko was growing so strong that he didn't even know, he couldn't know cause he was surprised every time he evolved in this 2nd fusion he even stated no in soul society can beat me now and the novel also said Aizen became so confident after his second transformation he didn't even fear zaraki anymore. My point is just like Yamamoto said Aizen was never a threat to him, logically it would refer to his bankai, Aizen never considered anyone except Yamamoto a real threat, I know that he feared zaraki's potential but remember zaraki at time and even in 'Spirits are forever with you' was espada top tier level as he beat Cien granz. If Aizen someone who once taught at the soul society, knew about zaraki's potential, sealed Yamamoto's shikai, knew about yhwach vs Yamamoto 1000 year battle and he even knew the truth behind the soul society and saw it for what if really was, so if he didn't even mention unohana being a hindrance to his plan he might as well be confident enough to take her down.
Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genryūsai, 1st Division Taicho/SouTaichou Strength: 100 Defence: 100 Mobility: 100 Kidou: 100 Intellect: 100 Physical Strength: 60 Total : 560
Sōsuke Aizen, Former 5th Division Taicho/Arrancar Leader Strength: 100
Defence: 90
Mobility: 90
Kidou:100
Intellect: 100
Physical Strength: 80
Total: 560
Retsu Unohana, 4th Division Taicho
Strength: 100
Defence: 80
Mobility: 70
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Physical Strength: 90
Total: 540
Unohana is more a equal to shunsui and jushiro as they the oldest captains
Note : in one of the bleach databooks it was said thag Sōsuke Aizen had mastered all shinigami arts Zanjutsu Kido Hoho Hakuda
tl;dr, with all things considered, even if Aizen is confident in defeating Unohana, it would be high difficulty and he would maybe have one of his underlings do the for him instead, too much hassle
Hmm this is difficult question... I think Sōsuke Aizen in his base with shikai pre hogyuko would win ! The reason for that is because unohana is very powerful indeed but after the time skip through Data books and anime/manga we learn that while other captains such as byakuya, kenpachi, and toshiro have become very powerful even relative to Aizen somewhat, but unohana's power has stagnated as she rarely fights. She powerful enough to kill 'Spirits are forever with you' kenpachi over and over again, this same kenpachi took down 3 sternritter and was one shotted by fake yhwach, while a weakened Yamamoto with in shikai with one arm was able to albeit for very small time skirmish with the fake yhwach, and that Sōsuke Aizen was said to be relative to him. Yamamoto in his shikai has statements saying that he is the strongest shinigami for the past 1000 years that would include Unohana.
Another thing is that kisuke urahara in the CFYOW novels is stated by tokinada to one shot guys like him. And tokinada is equal and comparable to the nobles including TYBW byakuya, yoruichi and isshin. That same kisuke urahara then goes up against a Fullbringer named Aura michibane who on the same level on power as base Sōsuke Aizen, kisuke urahara does well against her using high level kidos like 99 but she beats kisuke urahara up. Kisuke being stated to one shot guys like tokinada is major thing and tokinada if I recall correctly is lower than Aizen as he himself states he as not nearly enough SP when using kyoka suigetsu kyoka suigetsu and ryujin jakka. How this match to unohana is that byakuya kuchiki was able blow Gerard Valkyrie's head off, but even if you don't want to count that, kisuke fought and defeated askin nakk le var, one the strongest sternritter and a member of the elite guard.
I know renji said that "we have been training to become relative to guys like Aizen" but this statement has little value and surely does not apply to byakuya let alone renji post timeskip, in the data books it was stated even with one arm Yamamoto was stated to be the strongest captains, and in bis shikai which Aizen is relative too, he killed two about 2 sternritters, blew away as nodt the same guy who stole byakuya's bankai (to do that you must be relative to the person from whom ur stealing from as said by yhwach) and as nodt and nanana najakoba something that wierd sternritter whose name I don't remember both got bodied by shikai Yamamoto and only survived cause bazz b a sternritter relative to shikai Yamamoto as he cancelled his flames to save as nodt and the other guy. And another thing to note is that Aizen feared kenpachi zaraki's potential (feared doesn't mean if I through kenpachi in the ring with Aizen he's gonna cut him) it just means he might evolve to awaken his shikai mid battle if Aizen was winning and he might become more potentially if Aizen played around. And Aizen after slaughtering the Gotei 13 in Fake karakura he went to Yamamoto and said now with your army gone it's not even easy for you to stop me, and Aizen continued to say that if you were to fall the Gotei 13 would be done for, this is very important cause when Aizen made this statement UNOHANA WAS LITERALLY METERS AWAY FROM HIM AND HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO MENTIONED HER.(edited)
He made contingency plans for Yamamoto cause he knew Yamamoto was stronger he feared zaraki's potential to achieve zanjutsu but now in the same way as Yamamoto as it was said 'Spirits are forever with you' that Aizen with each next evolution of the hogyuko was growing so strong that he didn't even know, he couldn't know cause he was surprised every time he evolved in this 2nd fusion he even stated no in soul society can beat me now and the novel also said Aizen became so confident after his second transformation he didn't even fear zaraki anymore. My point is just like Yamamoto said Aizen was never a threat to him, logically it would refer to his bankai, Aizen never considered anyone except Yamamoto a real threat, I know that he feared zaraki's potential but remember zaraki at time and even in 'Spirits are forever with you' was espada top tier level as he beat Cien granz. If Aizen someone who once taught at the soul society, knew about zaraki's potential, sealed Yamamoto's shikai, knew about yhwach vs Yamamoto 1000 year battle and he even knew the truth behind the soul society and saw it for what if really was, so if he didn't even mention unohana being a hindrance to his plan he might as well be confident enough to take her down.
Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genryūsai, 1st Division Taicho/SouTaichou Strength: 100 Defence: 100 Mobility: 100 Kidou: 100 Intellect: 100 Physical Strength: 60 Total : 560
Sōsuke Aizen, Former 5th Division Taicho/Arrancar Leader Strength: 100
Defence: 90
Mobility: 90
Kidou:100
Intellect: 100
Physical Strength: 80
Total: 560
Retsu Unohana, 4th Division Taicho
Strength: 100
Defence: 80
Mobility: 70
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Physical Strength: 90
Total: 540
Unohana is more a equal to shunsui and jushiro as they the oldest captains
Note : in one of the bleach databooks it was said thag Sōsuke Aizen had mastered all shinigami arts Zanjutsu Kido Hoho Hakuda
tl;dr, with all things considered, even if Aizen is confident in defeating Unohana, it would be high difficulty and he would maybe have one of his underlings do the for him instead, too much hassle
Arc7Kuroi
Keep in mind I am only updating our current tiers, I cannot change the scaling in that CRT, so it is not the thread to discuss whether or not Unohana's scaling should be changed.