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Alice(Post-Eden)-4
Asat Pramad
Distance: 100 meters
Speed Equalized
Alice's Ultimate Battle Form is restricted
Asat Pramad is 3-B
SBA for the rest
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Faceless Trickster (Alice{I Was Caught up in a Hero Summoning, but That World Is at Peace} vs Asat Pramad{Honkai: Star Rail}) 4-0-0
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Alice(Post-Eden)-4
Asat Pramad
Distance: 100 meters
Speed Equalized
Alice's Ultimate Battle Form is restricted
Asat Pramad is 3-B
SBA for the rest
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Going by the profiles, Asat will be pushed into a corner if Alice decides to turn into Fate, who can see and manipulate infinite possibilities and can create impossible ones that have 0% of occurring. He might go insane from MM3 if he looks into the future where Alice transforms into Isis.
Best chance Asat has is using time stop with its 5 layers. But I don't see how Asat could harm Alice at all?
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Wait, does Alice have AE1 on plot and NEP or is that for one of her abilities?
If the former, this fight can't happen
If the former, this fight can't happen
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Asat's Resistance to Honkai Energy gives him resistance to Madness Manipulation(Type 3) so I think he'll be fine.
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It's technically it's one of her abilities. From what I can tell it seems she only gains access to that when she shapeshifts into Kuromueina.
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Considering how Asat has Acausality(Type 3) I'd say he's capable of surviving most of what Alice can throw at him.
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Yes, however Alice doesn't have access to either of the two's abilities when the fight starts until she decides to shapeshift into them, and I don't think turning into either of those two would be her first move so Asat still has plenty of opportunities to do his thing.
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This cannot be real, people really pulled his perfect counter lol.
(Also how do you reply/share/quote parts of the profile like that)
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Am I missing smthin? Her UBF is restricted so she can't turn into these people 
This is kinda big restriction ngl
This is kinda big restriction ngl
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Hekatonkheires isn't restricted so Alice can still use the abilities of Fate and Isis if she wants to.Am I missing smthin? Her UBF is restricted so she can't turn into these people
This is kinda big restriction ngl
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This is how I do it
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Ah wait, UBF is part of her heart tool ability but I guess it's restricting that specific ability, but not the entire heart tool?
Then yeah this is a stomp
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erm so about asat's weakness, its not just "chance" like probability manipulation but a chance that something he does in the past comes back to bite him thats why he says "planting seeds on a whim and watching them take root in unexpected ways" which is what he did with himeko which came back to bite him 30 smthn years later and defeated him
though he does have tendonitis
though he does have tendonitis
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This is true but considering how intelligent and resourceful Alice is
She will figure out a way to counter Asat Pramad via experience and intuition.
In the Battle against Ein, Alice did figure out her movements in timestop and how Ein used Time Manipulation despite never
Meeting her before.
What I am saying is that Alice will pick up fast on what to do if Asat tries his gimmicks
She will figure out a way to counter Asat Pramad via experience and intuition.
In the Battle against Ein, Alice did figure out her movements in timestop and how Ein used Time Manipulation despite never
Meeting her before.
What I am saying is that Alice will pick up fast on what to do if Asat tries his gimmicks
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Silly Bluey forgetting how his goat fights
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I got lazy last thread and kept calling it battle form instead of full name of the initial heart tool
And i self confused my brain
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Uhh doesn't Alice have some Claryvoience that gives her bootleg Omniscience? Or was it LN?
That's how she found Eden's true identity so Ig that counts here too?
But yea, Honkai does give resistence to MM3 but does it have layers? All I can see is baseline. Unless Isis's layers aren't relevant anymore, Alice when transformed does NOT hold back so I thik it should just tear through his resistence ngl.
Not to mention she's got a LOT of experience in fighting and well, doing everything. She can figure out his deal almost immediately, turn into Fate and.. well, yea.
That's how she found Eden's true identity so Ig that counts here too?
But yea, Honkai does give resistence to MM3 but does it have layers? All I can see is baseline. Unless Isis's layers aren't relevant anymore, Alice when transformed does NOT hold back so I thik it should just tear through his resistence ngl.
Not to mention she's got a LOT of experience in fighting and well, doing everything. She can figure out his deal almost immediately, turn into Fate and.. well, yea.
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From what I understand all of the resistances that fall under "Resistance to Honkai Energy" has 4 layers to them.
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Are they? I can't really find on the profile where it's stated lmao
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It's not in the profiles but it is in the explanation page:
Honkai Energy Layering
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Oh I see. Although I dunno if we should put it at 4 layers or 3 layers, not sure if he can resist Honkai more than Herrschers but ehh doesn't matter. Passive is out then ig.It's not in the profiles but it is in the explanation page:
Honkai Energy Layering
But yea, Alice's CM1 kinda dones the deal no? I don think anyone in Hoyo has CM1?
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Also I'm pretty sure this was her using Fate(The character)'s power.
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Pretty much, though supposedly there's a ongoing CRT that's attempting to change that. With that said, Alice would still have to turn into Isis in order to make use of it, which like I said earlier would be pretty unlikely to be a first move for her.
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I mean, we're using Post Eden so... AP difference itself is one shot Equivalent right?
Not to mention, she's got good instincts and adaptability too. So the moment Asat get's tricky to fight, she won't have any problem actually using the transformation. Like, transformations are active right? Hekatonkeris is allowed.
As for it not being her first move... As I said, the moment it get's even a bit tricker, she's not really holding back. Against Eden, she just started straight up spamming everything. Plus she does not really play around at all, heck she's known to make quick work of things in verse.
Not to mention, she's got good instincts and adaptability too. So the moment Asat get's tricky to fight, she won't have any problem actually using the transformation. Like, transformations are active right? Hekatonkeris is allowed.
As for it not being her first move... As I said, the moment it get's even a bit tricker, she's not really holding back. Against Eden, she just started straight up spamming everything. Plus she does not really play around at all, heck she's known to make quick work of things in verse.
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Eden was significantly stronger than Alice which is why the latter went all-out. With that said, I'd say Asat being weaker than Alice actually works in his favor here since it makes Alice less likely to resort to Hekatonkeris right away.
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His resistance works completely against him tho.
Iirc, he's got resistence to Info 2 so Alice's basic attacks won't do much to him(unless AP blows him off...) which'll trigger her senses. As I said, she isn't exactly known to take chances with anything.
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What's the wins cons for each then?
Alice:
Alice:
- higher ap
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For this girl to win she needs to deal with 2 things.
1) Reality Warping and Subjective Reality. Those two are can be empowered by his foes' fear which he can cause, exploit and draw from to empower himself and his creation.
2) Find a way to observe through every single possibility taking place in order to deal with the endless clones being created.
It looks like she can "deal" with 2) as their powers seem to cancel each other out. He could still do what he did to Yao though when she tried countering him and reduce the probability of her existing to 0%.
Also, I don't see how CM1 is a wincon. Unless she has demonstrated ways of destroying concepts.
I'll give it to Asshat. Neither of them have good resistances. Asat however has the advantage of hiding behind his swarm of clones that share his powers so she'll never get to even reach him. He seems to study opponents before personally approaching so he'd have time to figure alice out while she is busy and set up his fear hax or his sealing.
1) Reality Warping and Subjective Reality. Those two are can be empowered by his foes' fear which he can cause, exploit and draw from to empower himself and his creation.
2) Find a way to observe through every single possibility taking place in order to deal with the endless clones being created.
It looks like she can "deal" with 2) as their powers seem to cancel each other out. He could still do what he did to Yao though when she tried countering him and reduce the probability of her existing to 0%.
Also, I don't see how CM1 is a wincon. Unless she has demonstrated ways of destroying concepts.
I'll give it to Asshat. Neither of them have good resistances. Asat however has the advantage of hiding behind his swarm of clones that share his powers so she'll never get to even reach him. He seems to study opponents before personally approaching so he'd have time to figure alice out while she is busy and set up his fear hax or his sealing.
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CM1 is a wincon cuz it bypasses his resistence. He's got no answer to it. And that if they used similar powers, her's will crush his. Cuz CM1.
She can create clones too btw.
As for his SR, Alice got her's too. Not to mention she has resistence to Fear and supernatural Willpower so he's got nothing to draw from.
For his "Fate Manipulation", Alice can transform into Fate who.. well, she can create possibilities from zero. Like, it was explicitly stated that there was a flat zero chance for something to happen, she pushed it to 1 and made it 100% essentially. Plus CM1, so she counters his trying to put her probability to zero. This is..
I think we're ignoring her Acasuality 4? She's got it layered. Unless Asshat can affect those(which shouldn't make sense lore accurately lol), his power isn't working either.
She can create clones too btw.
As for his SR, Alice got her's too. Not to mention she has resistence to Fear and supernatural Willpower so he's got nothing to draw from.
For his "Fate Manipulation", Alice can transform into Fate who.. well, she can create possibilities from zero. Like, it was explicitly stated that there was a flat zero chance for something to happen, she pushed it to 1 and made it 100% essentially. Plus CM1, so she counters his trying to put her probability to zero. This is..
I think we're ignoring her Acasuality 4? She's got it layered. Unless Asshat can affect those(which shouldn't make sense lore accurately lol), his power isn't working either.
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CM1 does not bypass resistances as far as I know. It needs to have some offensive capabilities. It's not an autowin. Also, the problem would be her passing through all the clones to get to him since that's his opener. If that's hers too, then sure, I guess they're both stuck there for a while.
I am not seeing Fear or Mind Manip Res on her profile. She does in fact have mind manip res but it's just a cosmology thing and Asat can affect info and souls. So it's not a problem.
I am not seeing Fear or Mind Manip Res on her profile. She does in fact have mind manip res but it's just a cosmology thing and Asat can affect info and souls. So it's not a problem.
Irregular Acausality doesn't have any properties and doesn't grant any resistances on its own unless shown.
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Check the peerage page. Alice's CM1 Fate manipulation allows her to control all phenomena in the world, including other CM1 hax. She could make Asat stop doing anything, period, and simultaneously crush all his clones at once.
Alice's Acausality 4 is a thing because she fought a character called Fate, who she's using her Authority for this match. I think you can take a guess what that Acausality covers.
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Oh I meant that he simply doesn't have anything to counter it. Authorities by default are CM1 that manipulates the fundamental concepts, laws and logic of the universe. And probability manipulation and Causality Manipulation are actually a very common power. Check Peerage Ranking Physiology page, Fate's Authority is fundamentally higher than that.
She can AoE them all i think.
Check the Peerage Ranking Physiology(again) and Supernatural Willpower.
Remember me mentioning Fate above? Her power was completely useless on Alice.
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Has she shown this ability? Or is it something out of chainscaling/UES?
That doesn't really mean anything. Acau 4 has no intrinsic properties. It does nothing on its own nor does it give any abilities. It's there just in case the other types don't fit.
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Former, when she transforms into those she has a bond with, she has all of their powers. That's her unique Heart Tool ability. She used it to turn a 0% into a 1% and then into a 100% in a fight before.
That same CM1 Fate hax does not work on Alice at base. When Fate got serious, it worked on Alice then, but then she used her Heart Tool to subvert it with another layer of acausality.
It's all on the profile.
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