Reality Quest CRT - LS Revision and Speed Upgrade for Mid/High/Top tiers

CatLover313 · Wednesday at 00:49

These two feats have been changed:

LS Feat 1: Dowan breaks a door (113k Tons [Class M] → 266 Tons [Class K])
LS Feat 2: Bujin compresses a barbell (2.6k Tons [Class M] → 14.9k Tons [Class M])

And this speed feat was accepted Swordsmen saves the Queen from glass: 417.46 m/s

So this CRT is about an LS revision for the Mid, High, and Top tiers of the verse and a Speed upgrade for the high tiers.

Luckily, there is an accepted Scaling Chain and all the profiles already have reasons and scans. So I'll be using what the scaling chain has on the blog page.

For the first LS Feat (266 Tons [Class K]), those who would be effected and changed are those who scale above Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest) [he performed the feat], which are:
- Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2), Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2), Dowan Ha (Rage Power), and Hosung Kim
For the second LS Feat (14.9k Tons [Class M]), those would be effected and changed are those who scale above XXX who could contest in a match of strength with Dowan who could resist Bujin’s strength (He performed the feat), which are:
- XXX, Jihan Yoo (Mind Control), Dowan Ha (Start of Season 2), Dae Bujin, Gong-Cheol, Shin Woo-Ju, Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will), Dowan Ha (Extroardinary Body), Ji Sung-Hyun, Kim Cheong Wol, Han Eun-Sung, and Choi Sun-Jae

For those who would scale to the speed feat, the swordsman guy (no name yet) was the one who performed the feat. Since Dowan could exchange and dodge his attacks, his Extraordinary Key would scale to 417.46 m/s. So with his booster ability which provides a “Possibly 5x speed boost”, his profile will look like:

Speed: At least Supersonic (417.46 m/s), higher with skills, possibly Hypersonic with Boosters (2087.3 m/s)

The other characters who would get boosted to "At Least Supersonic" are:

Kim Cheongwol (Could place a pressure point needle on Extraordinary Body Key Dowan without him noticing)
Han Eunsong (Could fight evenly with Cheongwol)

Agreements: DeltaStriker22, Hayder0772, Mercury009, Fhloca, Kyungho, Pettam33, Kakistan (disagrees on certain character placements though), WindyAttack, Black_Cat49

Disagreements: Aksh_sky

DeltaStriker22 · Wednesday at 01:25

I agree.

Hayder0772 · Wednesday at 02:38

I agree to everything

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 03:37

I disagree with cat's speed calc itself as again there was no evidence that he started moving his arms to punch before the swordsman came.

But i do agree with the LS upgrade.

CatLover313 · Wednesday at 04:02

Aksh_sky said:
I disagree with cat's speed calc itself as again there was no evidence that he started moving his arms to punch before the swordsman came.

But i do agree with the LS upgrade.

Really don’t know why it’s so hard to understand when these are the panels in sequential order of “glass being fine” and then “glass being destroyed and shards flying” (Full feat here for staff, chapter was 193).

Thats literally all the evidence needed to show the swordsman not being there at first, glass flying at the blonde girl, and swordsmen appearing in front of her, moving the minimum 2.8316 meters calculated, protecting her as she’s not a fighter like they both mention.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 04:05

CatLover313 said:
Really don’t know why it’s so hard to understand when these are the panels in sequential order of “glass being fine” and then “glass being destroyed and shards flying” (Full feat here for staff, chapter was 193).

Thats literally all the evidence needed to show the swordsman not being there at first, glass flying at the blonde girl, and swordsmen appearing in front of her, moving the minimum 2.8316 meters calculated, protecting her as she’s not a fighter like they both mention.

Again, it's fine if he's not there but see...THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS STILL NOT IN THE SCREEN BEFORE THE PUNCH STARTED MOVING. He could've come closer before the punch landed or before the punch even started to land.

Also i js checked the Bujin feat and I disagree with that calc too but unlike the swordsman calc to which I'm a bit fine about, im lwk not letting that Bujin calc slide the crt because ot overinflates for no reason. I've given my problems regarding them in the comments of it.

CatLover313 · Wednesday at 04:27

Aksh_sky said:
Again, it's fine if he's not there but see...THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS STILL NOT IN THE SCREEN BEFORE THE PUNCH STARTED MOVING. He could've come closer before the punch landed or before the punch even started to land.

No evidence?? Dude, he’s literally not in the screen before the glass gets destroyed. My evidence is the scene itself. If I’m just going to get stonewalled despite repeating this multiple times, I’ll just put you in for disagreement ig

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 04:29

CatLover313 said:
No evidence?? Dude, he’s literally not in the screen before the glass gets destroyed. My evidence is the scene itself. If I’m just going to get stonewalled despite repeating this multiple times, I’ll just put you in for disagreement ig

No he's not in the screen before just the glass is destroyed, he's not in the screen before Dowan even started moving his arms, so timeframe can't really start from this panel since NOTHING is moving. Are u getting it? We genuinely dk in which position he was when the glass started moving ot Dowan's arms started moving. That's unquanfiable, is that too hard to understand?

CatLover313 · Wednesday at 04:38

Aksh_sky said:
No he's not in the screen before just the glass is destroyed, he's not in the screen before Dowan even started moving his arms, so timeframe can't really start from this panel since NOTHING is moving. Are u getting it? We genuinely dk in which position he was when the glass started moving ot Dowan's arms started moving. That's unquanfiable, is that too hard to understand?

If we’re going to argue this, may as well invalidate 95% of all speed feats. Don’t know why it’s so hard to comprehend the sequence of the panels shown, using the minimum distance from the center to out of frame, and the dialogue mentioning of him rushing in between the glass shards flying’s. If we’re just going to repeat this argument, rather just wait it out for staff then continue this stonewalling argument.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 04:44

I found a better panel to find the barbell width,

Even if I use 11cm(that's the biggest hand width) I'd still get nly 15.8mm for it's width. And also, just because someone EVEN REMOTELY MENTIONS the material, that won't make it an Olympic barbell. Infact he said that the thing is so light that it could be used for spacecraft so if anything that'd js prove that the material is not strong instead of it being the opposite.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 04:49

CatLover313 said:
If we’re going to argue this, may as well invalidate 95% of all speed feats.

Ok? What about it? If there's no evidence regarding his exact position then why's the timeframe starting before even the punch started moving let alone the glass shards.

If 95% feats are like this then the assumption aren't valid, simple.

CatLover313 said:
Don’t know why it’s so hard to comprehend the sequence of the panels shown, using the minimum distance from the center to out of frame, and the dialogue mentioning of him rushing in between the glass shards flying’s. If we’re just going to repeat this argument, rather just wait it out for staff then continue this stonewalling argument.

Bro ok? The minimum distance assumes that he isn't in the screen, but that was when Dowan hadn't even STARTED MOVING his arms. What proves that he was in the same position after the punch landed on the glass... NOTHING.

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 05:11

If Drite doesn't respond, I'll consider the points brought up by captain ignored, although I have several counter points for it too if needed.

The argument behind the speed calc is questionable to say the least.

I agree with the CRT

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 05:19

Mercury009 said:
If Drite doesn't respond, I'll consider the points brought up by captain ignored, although I have several counter points for it too if needed.

Lol that doesn't work like that. If the points are being questioned then in a crt another CGM or the same should be involved. No CGM is obliged to reply to a calc after they aproved it, if it's being discussed then either it could be rejected in a CGD or it can be done in the upgrade CRT.

Fhloca · Wednesday at 05:21

CatLover313 said:
These two feats have been changed:

LS Feat 1: Dowan breaks a door (113k Tons [Class M] → 266 Tons [Class K])

LS Feat 2: Bujin compresses a barbell (2.6k Tons [Class M] → 14.9k Tons [Class M])

And this speed feat was accepted Swordsmen saves the Queen from glass: 417.46 m/s

So this CRT is about an LS revision for the Mid, High, and Top tiers of the verse and a Speed upgrade for the high tiers.

Luckily, there is an accepted Scaling Chain and all the profiles already have reasons and scans. So I'll be using what the scaling chain has on the blog page.

For the first LS Feat (266 Tons [Class K]), those who would be effected and changed are those who scale above Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest) [he performed the feat], which are:

Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2), Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2), Dowan Ha (Rage Power), and Hosung Kim

For the second LS Feat (14.9k Tons [Class M]), those would be effected and changed are those who scale above XXX who could contest in a match of strength with Dowan who could resist Bujin’s strength (He performed the feat), which are:

XXX, Jihan Yoo (Mind Control), Dowan Ha (Start of Season 2), Dae Bujin, Gong-Cheol, Shin Woo-Ju, Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will), Dowan Ha (Extroardinary Body), Ji Sung-Hyun, Kim Cheong Wol, Han Eun-Sung, and Choi Sun-Jae

For those who would scale to the speed feat, the swordsman guy (no name yet) was the one who performed the feat. Since Dowan could exchange and dodge his attacks, his Extraordinary Key would scale to 417.46 m/s. So with his booster ability which provides a “Possibly 5x speed boost”, his profile will look like:

Speed: At least Supersonic (417.46 m/s), higher with skills, possibly Hypersonic with Boosters (2087.3 m/s)

The other characters who would get boosted to "At Least Supersonic" are:

Kim Cheongwol (Could place a pressure point needle on Extraordinary Body Key Dowan without him noticing)

Han Eunsong (Could fight evenly with Cheongwol)

Agreements: DeltaStriker22, Hayder0772

Disagreements: Aksh_sky

I agree

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 05:38

If Drite doesn’t respond AND if another CGM or staff doesn’t say anything, a CRT can assume a calculation is fine. You were already put in disagree and knowing you, it's sincerely a waste of time to try and discuss things. So there is really no point in me defending the calculation if a CGM member agreed with the assumptions present in the calculation.

Starting to understand why Drite veto-ed manwhas

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 05:40

Mercury009 said:
If Drite doesn’t respond AND if another CGM or staff doesn’t say anything, a CRT can assume a calculation is fine.

Ye but that works only if it's a calc, not a recalc over an already pre-existing accepted calc. If changes are done and more justifications are added then it's required to be re-evaled if questioned.

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 07:44

Aksh_sky said:
Even if I use 11cm(that's the biggest hand width)

Btw, this is only applicable in the real world. Dae-Bujin was calculated to be at least 282 cm tall, which is 10 centimetres over the tallest man ever recorded. As you said in other calculations of yours, but I'll post it as a reminder to avoid any type of misunderstanding:

Also why does what tigers normally does is relevant here? This is fiction and neither is the tiger normal. No tiger has heart this big.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 10:00

Mercury009 said:
Btw, this is only applicable in the real world. Dae-Bujin was calculated to be at least 282 cm tall, which is 10 centimetres over the tallest man ever recorded. As you said in other calculations of yours, but I'll post it as a reminder to avoid any type of misunderstanding:

Ok? So. In that scene you yourself said that he wasn't THAT tall. Infact you yourself didn't used that height.

And even if we say that hand witdh is 15cm which should be applicable for even like a 3.3m tall man, even then the barbell width would js be 21.5mm.

And according to this site 286cm man would have hand width of nly 13cm, not any higher.

Also NO WAY Bujin is 286cm tall, I've also read RQ and he didn't felt that tall. Like almost as tall as Tom is crazy.

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 10:09

Aksh_sky said:
Ok? So. In that scene you yourself said that he wasn't THAT tall. Infact you yourself didn't used that height.

Huh? It's literally here

Aksh_sky said:
Also NO WAY Bujin is 286cm tall, I've also read RQ and he didn't felt that tall. Like almost as tall as Tom is crazy.

A pre-Juvie Bujin was already over the 240 cm mark in his "mug shot" (more like a body shot tbh). His height wildly varies; 282 was one of the safest estimates you could get. If I recall correctly, CatLover did a meme calc and got him to over 3 meters in height using Dowan falling as a size comparison. Though that was using the Dowan model with 178 cm. Arthur found out he actually grew to 186 post-tower (S2). Using the hand size of a gigantic character like that is nitpicking when you have a clear shot of the entire height of the person. You are welcome to revise the calculation again if you want to voice your concerns in a more accurate manner, but the width you picked really is just an attempt at downplaying the feat.

Edit: Found it, 3.37 meters lmao

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 10:18

Mercury009 said:
Huh? It's literally here

Ok? And why didn't u used what Viott used? There's no evidence that he's 282cm tall, in the same panel he was standing beside the height thing and his shoulder level was 200cm tall so you should've used that nly. I don't see any point on doing this.

Mercury009 said:
A pre-Juvie Bujin was already over the 240 cm mark in his "mug shot" (more like a body shot tbh). His height wildly varies; 282 was one of the safest estimates you could get. If I recall correctly, CatLover did a meme calc and got him to over 3 meters in height using Dowan falling as a size comparison. Though that was using the Dowan model with 178 cm. Arthur found out he actually grew to 186 post-tower (S2).

In that case Bujin's height is inconsistent just like Tom Lee and it's better and safer to just use what Viott used.

And obviously it's safer to use what i showed for width, use 13cm if u wish even... doens't matter.

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 10:30

Aksh_sky said:
Ok? And why didn't u used what Viott used? There's no evidence that he's 282cm tall, in the same panel he was standing beside the height thing and his shoulder level was 200cm tall so you should've used that nly. I don't see any point on doing this.

Okay, now you are literally stonewalling as you did with CatLover. The feat linked clearly presents him compared to XXX, who, in his mugshots, had a minimum height of 180 cm. It's always best to use clear references, which the photo I provided fully contains. No need to pass through a Body Size Proportion calculator since it establishes:

Clear reference (Height of the person)
Length of the barbell
Diameter

Aksh_sky said:
In that case Bujin's height is inconsistent just like Tom Lee and it's better and safer to just use what Viott used.

Stonewalling again.

I explained my reasoning for the height and pixel scaling measurements, which Viott agreed to as well. Drite accepted both pixel scaling and material. Your claims really have no proof or source behind them.

Edit: This is just turning in a nothingburger argument. I've said my piece; I'll wait for staff members to say theirs

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 10:41

Mercury009 said:
Okay, now you are literally stonewalling as you did with CatLover. The feat linked clearly presents him compared to XXX, who, in his mugshots, had a minimum height of 180 cm. It's always best to use clear references, which the photo I provided fully contains. No need to pass through a Body Size Proportion calculator since it establishes:

What are u even talking about? Literally in Bujin's mugshot too he is 200cm till shoulder, i don't see any reason for you to use no name's height. Also even if u do, what's genuinely the point as 200cm till shoulder should be literally his official height because it's confirmed unlike Tom Lee where no specific height in confirmed, in some panels he is 245cm and in some he's 300cm

Mercury009 said:
Stonewalling again.

I explained my reasoning for the height and pixel scaling measurements, which Viott agreed to as well. Drite accepted both pixel scaling and material. Your claims really have no proof or source behind them

???what i stone walled in here? Also in case Bujin's height is inconsistent then it's always better to use what's consistent.

For example here.

This guy should be safely 180cm, using his upper body height that i found in the site, i get 90cm.

So from that i get the barbell height to be 89.5 cm and width to be 2.73 cm.

It's consistent because even Viott got similar results by using official height rather than inconsistent random assumed height that's only used to overinflate the results.

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 10:56

Cherry picking again for lower values and stonewalling by blatantly ignoring my arguments and circling back to yours. Viott literally used the same panel as me. Please read both calculations before making assumptions.

This is the final message I'll send in the thread regarding this issue. This is XXX height. Official height before his time in prison. This is Bujin's height, same deal as XXX. This is a recent photo of them next to each other. Multiple shots of Bujin during his fight with Dowan indicate the 200 cm value is lower than it should be. That was the main point of the feat. Using a literally unnamed, completely unknown character over someone you can pixel scale accurately just to get a lower value is beyond inefficient and returns an incorrect value for the feat.

If your favourite verse has problems with heights, which you keep bringing up, that's rough. But that doesn't really apply in this instance.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 11:02

Mercury009 said:
Cherry picking again for lower values. Viott literally used the same panel as me. Please read both calculations before making assumptions.

What cherry picking? I can show numerous panels of Bujin having lower height than 240cm, if the official ones shows 200 till shoulder then it simply means that the one you've used is inconsistent as the dumble height is shown to be consistent in various panels and is around 85cm nly.

Mercury009 said:
If your favourite verse has problems with heights, which you keep bringing up, that's rough. But that doesn't really apply in this instance.

I showed it as an example because it does, my main argument for that would be in case height of someone is inconsistent then it's always preferable to use a more consistent refference rather than arguing on a charecters height.

Also even if I use 3 dam metres for Bujin, the width would still not get pass 25mm.

The fact that in the mugshot panel the his height till shoulder is only 200cm meanwhile in here it's different then obviously that means it's inconsistent because it's always preferred to use the height that's blatently stated or shown numerically rather than sticking to unreliable methods.

Kyungho · Wednesday at 12:21

I agree

Pettam33 · Wednesday at 13:54

Mercury009 said:
Aksh_sky said:

What cherry picking? I can show numerous panels of Bujin having lower height than 240cm, if the official ones shows 200 till shoulder then it simply means that the one you've used is inconsistent as the dumble height is shown to be consistent in various panels and is around 85cm nly.

I showed it as an example because it does, my main argument for that would be in case height of someone is inconsistent then it's always preferable to use a more consistent refference rather than arguing on a charecters height.

Also even if I use 3 dam metres for Bujin, the width would still not get pass 25mm.

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Mercury009 said:
Aksh_sky said:

The fact that in the mugshot panel the his height till shoulder is only 200cm meanwhile in here it's different then obviously that means it's inconsistent because it's always preferred to use the height that's blatently stated or shown numerically rather than sticking to unreliable methods.

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I don't want to really get into the middle of this, but wasn't that mug shot from around a year ago from when Bujin was in juvie? Who's to say he can't grow taller? We see this with Dowan throughout the series, he went from 170 cm to 186.62 cm to potentially 190+ (with GB) all within 4 months?
Bujin was likely in juvie for half a year, or a full year due to his escapades and he's implied to be around dowan's age who's still fully capable of growing. So it's not impossible that he that tall, especially with the funeral shot of him being next to xxx and Gong.

Pettam33 · Wednesday at 13:57

CatLover313 said:
These two feats have been changed:

LS Feat 1: Dowan breaks a door (113k Tons [Class M] → 266 Tons [Class K])

LS Feat 2: Bujin compresses a barbell (2.6k Tons [Class M] → 14.9k Tons [Class M])

And this speed feat was accepted Swordsmen saves the Queen from glass: 417.46 m/s

So this CRT is about an LS revision for the Mid, High, and Top tiers of the verse and a Speed upgrade for the high tiers.

Luckily, there is an accepted Scaling Chain and all the profiles already have reasons and scans. So I'll be using what the scaling chain has on the blog page.

For the first LS Feat (266 Tons [Class K]), those who would be effected and changed are those who scale above Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest) [he performed the feat], which are:

Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2), Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2), Dowan Ha (Rage Power), and Hosung Kim

For the second LS Feat (14.9k Tons [Class M]), those would be effected and changed are those who scale above XXX who could contest in a match of strength with Dowan who could resist Bujin’s strength (He performed the feat), which are:

XXX, Jihan Yoo (Mind Control), Dowan Ha (Start of Season 2), Dae Bujin, Gong-Cheol, Shin Woo-Ju, Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will), Dowan Ha (Extroardinary Body), Ji Sung-Hyun, Kim Cheong Wol, Han Eun-Sung, and Choi Sun-Jae

For those who would scale to the speed feat, the swordsman guy (no name yet) was the one who performed the feat. Since Dowan could exchange and dodge his attacks, his Extraordinary Key would scale to 417.46 m/s. So with his booster ability which provides a “Possibly 5x speed boost”, his profile will look like:

Speed: At least Supersonic (417.46 m/s), higher with skills, possibly Hypersonic with Boosters (2087.3 m/s)

The other characters who would get boosted to "At Least Supersonic" are:

Kim Cheongwol (Could place a pressure point needle on Extraordinary Body Key Dowan without him noticing)

Han Eunsong (Could fight evenly with Cheongwol)

Agreements: DeltaStriker22, Hayder0772

Disagreements: Aksh_sky

Agree with everything so far.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 14:03

Why bro replied in a reply box

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Anyways that still doesn't disprove that height is inconsistent because in many panels he is alot shorter and knowing that he's an adult, it's very unlikely that he grew and thus it's just an height inconsistency.

Also again, there's a difference between increasing height as per artstyle and increasing height cannonically because there's no evidence that his increase in height is official and cannonical. Obviously it requires an official statement or showings with numbers in order to prove that.

And speaking of not impossible, it's also not impossible for his height to just be inconsistent. So if you interpret as retcon in height then someone else like me can also interpret it as inconsistency so it's always better to use a safer measurement like what Viott used or like what I used.
Cuz in many panels, his height is just blatently inconsistent.

Mercury009 · Wednesday at 14:13

Blatantly manipulating the lines to avoid showing the real height of someone in the background compared to the foreground is crazy work

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 14:14

Mercury009 said:
Blatantly manipulating the lines to avoid showing the real height of someone in the background compared to the foreground is crazy work

I didn't even made ts lol.

Aksh_sky · Wednesday at 14:20

Also see these.

Angles are fine in these images but he still doens't appear that tall.

See this too, in this panel he doesn't look that tall in front of no name or Gong.

Also if ur arg against inconsistency is that, Gong has grown that's why he is appearing that tall then lemme tell u that in that case, no name can also grow taller.

Kakistan · Wednesday at 21:41

I have no issue with the speed calcs or who they scale to.

As for the Dae Bujin height thing. I'm gonna be real, XXX absolutely looks hunched over. Here's a comparison of him standing straight next to Gongcheol in this funeral, as well showing how he hunches over in different panels (meaningi it's not a one-time thing). Aside from that, I also highlighted how the random NPCs are gigantic, like being near Bujin's height/taller than Gongcheol despite being meters ahead. Aksh does sound disingenuous, but he made a good point on using the height of the normal humans in the gym rather than someone who's drawn as hulk occasionally.

Don't really have more input on it since it was approved.

Feel free to put me as Agree on those two.

However, I disagree with the people who are scaled to the Class K feat (besides Hoseung). That's AM Dowan, who is at least twice as strong physically as normal Dowan of that time.

Besides, "Rage Power" Dowan is only comparable to a weakened Hoseung's speed through the usage of Booster & other skills. If you go through the fight, he never lands a strike without it. There's really no increase in LS tbh.

What business do Kang Sehoon & Seokyoung have being comparable to AM Post-Dragon's Nest Dowan?

CatLover313 · Thursday at 01:02

Kakistan said:
I have no issue with the speed calcs or who they scale to.

As for the Dae Bujin height thing. I'm gonna be real, XXX absolutely looks hunched over. Here's a comparison of him standing straight next to Gongcheol in this funeral, as well showing how he hunches over in different panels (meaningi it's not a one-time thing). Aside from that, I also highlighted how the random NPCs are gigantic, like being near Bujin's height/taller than Gongcheol despite being meters ahead. Aksh does sound disingenuous, but he made a good point on using the height of the normal humans in the gym rather than someone who's drawn as hulk occasionally.

Don't really have more input on it since it was approved.

Feel free to put me as Agree on those two.

Sounds good

Kakistan said:
However, I disagree with the people who are scaled to the Class K feat (besides Hoseung). That's AM Dowan, who is at least twice as strong physically as normal Dowan of that time.

Besides, "Rage Power" Dowan is only comparable to a weakened Hoseung's speed through the usage of Booster & other skills. If you go through the fight, he never lands a strike without it. There's really no increase in LS tbh.

What business do Kang Sehoon & Seokyoung have being comparable to AM Post-Dragon's Nest Dowan?

It's just what the current approved scaling chain says. I've been told that scaling chains can be used to justify statistics upgrades/downgrades. Though I'll be honest, not sure if it's meant just for AP/Speed chains; I might need staff help on whether scaling chains aren't enough justification for LS chains. If so, not against removing your mentioned characters.

WindyAttack · Thursday at 06:03

CatLover313 said:
These two feats have been changed:

LS Feat 1: Dowan breaks a door (113k Tons [Class M] → 266 Tons [Class K])

LS Feat 2: Bujin compresses a barbell (2.6k Tons [Class M] → 14.9k Tons [Class M])

And this speed feat was accepted Swordsmen saves the Queen from glass: 417.46 m/s

So this CRT is about an LS revision for the Mid, High, and Top tiers of the verse and a Speed upgrade for the high tiers.

Luckily, there is an accepted Scaling Chain and all the profiles already have reasons and scans. So I'll be using what the scaling chain has on the blog page.

For the first LS Feat (266 Tons [Class K]), those who would be effected and changed are those who scale above Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest) [he performed the feat], which are:

Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2), Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2), Dowan Ha (Rage Power), and Hosung Kim

For the second LS Feat (14.9k Tons [Class M]), those would be effected and changed are those who scale above XXX who could contest in a match of strength with Dowan who could resist Bujin’s strength (He performed the feat), which are:

XXX, Jihan Yoo (Mind Control), Dowan Ha (Start of Season 2), Dae Bujin, Gong-Cheol, Shin Woo-Ju, Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will), Dowan Ha (Extroardinary Body), Ji Sung-Hyun, Kim Cheong Wol, Han Eun-Sung, and Choi Sun-Jae

For those who would scale to the speed feat, the swordsman guy (no name yet) was the one who performed the feat. Since Dowan could exchange and dodge his attacks, his Extraordinary Key would scale to 417.46 m/s. So with his booster ability which provides a “Possibly 5x speed boost”, his profile will look like:

Speed: At least Supersonic (417.46 m/s), higher with skills, possibly Hypersonic with Boosters (2087.3 m/s)

The other characters who would get boosted to "At Least Supersonic" are:

Kim Cheongwol (Could place a pressure point needle on Extraordinary Body Key Dowan without him noticing)

Han Eunsong (Could fight evenly with Cheongwol)

Agreements: DeltaStriker22, Hayder0772, Mercury009, Fhloca, Kyungho, Pettam33, Kakistan (disagrees on certain character placements though)

Disagreements: Aksh_sky

I agree with everything

CatLover313 · Thursday at 20:28

SomebodyData · Friday at 06:25

Don't disagree with the revisions at face-value, but I'm curious on what's the issue with the heights?

Mercury009 · Friday at 07:51

One of the feats was recalculated because a character had a better shot at portraying his height in recent chapters. Aksh disagrees with the method and insists on using the average heights of unknown characters to determine the barbell's measurements. He can add onto his part too if he feels this description doesn't do justice to his argument.

Black_Cat49 · Friday at 08:15

This upgrade is straightforward and easy to understand, so I agree with it. Also, once this thread is accepted, I think it will make scaling the rest of the characters much easier.

Black_Cat49 · Friday at 08:32

Mercury009 said:
If Drite doesn’t respond AND if another CGM or staff doesn’t say anything, a CRT can assume a calculation is fine. You were already put in disagree and knowing you, it's sincerely a waste of time to try and discuss things. So there is really no point in me defending the calculation if a CGM member agreed with the assumptions present in the calculation.

Starting to understand why Drite veto-ed manwhas

Although not every Manhwa has this kind of issue, one of the reasons Drite77 became reluctant to review Manhwa calculations was because of Captain's calculations as well.

I'm not trying to accuse Captain of being the sole cause. However, after problems arose with some of those calculations—such as incomplete or insufficient information being provided—Drite77 stopped reviewing Manhwa calculations for quite a while. The only exceptions were calculations submitted by Viott or calculations that had gone unreviewed for several months. (This & This)

Aksh_sky · Saturday at 09:51

SomebodyData said:
Don't disagree with the revisions at face-value, but I'm curious on what's the issue with the heights?

The issue is that, specific panels are used to overinflate the dimensions of the barbell and Bujin himself when safer options are clearly present.

And speaking of the speed calc then there's GENUINELY NO EVIDENCE that the sword guy was still not in the screen before the punch landed on the glass and shattered them.

Reality Quest CRT - LS Revision and Speed Upgrade for Mid/High/Top tiers

Waiting for Walpurgisnacht Rising and Metroid 6...

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