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Lookism Discussion Thread

Foriaa said:
Based off what? Jinyeong explicitly places Kitae within the same realm as prime Gap and Shingen, and we know James = Kitae, so he should be comparable to them, what currently exist that implies that Gap is superior?
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It's easy. Conviction Punch was able to take out Base Kitae, so why can't Path Gap take out Path Kitae? Path is also a form of multiplier with the addition of a unique ability. An Incomplete Path with a nerfed Jinyoung was already on equal footing with Kitae, so there's no way Complete Path Gap is on the same level.

Also, that "domain and realm" statement doesn't indicate their relativity. It just shows they have a Path. If we go by that statement, Mastered Path Jinyoung would be the top tier of the verse, because if we scale Jinyoung by statement even with his Incomplete Path and injured form, he already reached Mastered Path Kitae, James, Gap and Shingen's level.

That's why I don't think we should take that statement as proof of relativity between these characters.
 
Sigmagoon14 said:
Conviction Punch was able to take out Base Kitae, so why can't Path Gap take out Path Kitae?
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I'm not sure how this follows, Conviction Gap can take out Base Kitae, not Path Kitae, this would mean Conviction Gap > Base Kitae, not Path Gap > Path Kitae, and the domain statement does indicate relativity, seeing as how Jinyeong is directly referring to Kitae's power, calling him a monster. Jinyeong even with Path could barely damage Kitae, and the Kitae he did do any damage to was just base, not Path.

Path Gap ~ Path Shingen ~ Path Kitae/James
Conviction Gap > Conviction Jinyeong > Base Kitae
 
Foriaa said:
I'm not sure how this follows, Conviction Gap can take out Base Kitae, not Path Kitae, this would mean Conviction Gap > Base Kitae, not Path Gap > Path Kitae,
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Again path is just another form multiplier to it's base, if base is stronger so how in their Path they are both equals?
Foriaa said:
and the domain statement does indicate relativity, seeing as how Jinyeong is directly referring to Kitae's power, calling him a monster. Jinyeong even with Path could barely damage Kitae, and the Kitae he did do any damage to was just base, not Path.
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You answered your own question. If the "Domain and Realm" statement really showed power level relativity, then why was Jinyoung barely able to damage Path Kitae? Jinyoung is also in the same domain as all 4 of them. He shouldn't even have equal power to Kitae even with his incomplete path?

That's why I said using that statement really messes up the scaling

Like Mastered Jinyoung > Injured And Incomplete Path Jinyoung = Mastered Path Gap, Kitae, James and Shingen
 
Sigmagoon14 said:
Again path is just another form multiplier to it's base is stronger, so how in their oath they are both equals?
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For this to work, you'd have to prove that Path provides the same multiplier for everyone that has it.
Sigmagoon14 said:
You answered your own question. If the "Domain and Realm" statement really showed power level relativity, then why was Jinyoung barely able to damage Path Kitae? Jinyoung is also in the same domain as all 4 of them. He shouldn't even have equal power to Kitae even with his incomplete path?
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This is simple to answer. Firstly, if Jinyeong only said that Kitae is in the same realm as Gap and Shingen, and was only referring to him having a Path, then perhaps this argument could work, but that's not what happened. Jinyeong refers to Kitae's power, he calls him a monster, and then places him in the Path realm. Secondly, while Jinyeong is within the Path realm, the reason we don't grant him scaling to Gap/Shingen is simply because he only took a step into it, implying that while he is within the same tier as these characters, he's not necessarily relative to them, and lastly, of course he wouldn't have equal power to Kitae with Path, Jinyeong damages Base Kitae, this is very important to distinguish as the gap in power between Path and Base Kitae is massive.
 
Foriaa said:
This is simple to answer. Firstly, if Jinyeong only said that Kitae is in the same realm as Gap and Shingen, and was only referring to him having a Path, then perhaps this argument could work, but that's not what happened. Jinyeong refers to Kitae's power, he calls him a monster, and then places him in the Path realm. Secondly, while Jinyeong is within the Path realm, the reason we don't grant him scaling to Gap/Shingen is simply because he only took a step into it, implying that while he is within the same tier as these characters, he's not necessarily relative to them, and lastly, of course he wouldn't have equal power to Kitae with Path, Jinyeong damages Base Kitae, this is very important to distinguish as the gap in power between Path and Base Kitae is massive.
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Again, you're overcomplicating things. Because if Jinyoung really meant that statement as power relativity, then my point still stands. After that "Monster" statement, Jinyoung calls out his own inability to reach their domain. He says "In the end I wasn't able to reach their level". That would mean the moment Jinyoung got Path, he was on the same realm as Gap, Shingen, and Kitae. That's what his statement sounds like. He just needed Path to get on their level, which he got. But he still wasn't on their level yet if go by his own words he is on thier level. That's why I said using that Domain/Realm statement as power level relativity would just mess up the scaling point

Foriaa said:
For this to work, you'd have to prove that Path provides the same multiplier for
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Neither can you prove that Kitae has greater Multiplier than Gap to get on his equal With statement being unreliable
 
PowerscalingCat wants to create a CRT for the CQC multiplier, but I feel it's more important to let him do his CRT because it could define the speed and even the AP of a large part of the verse. LS's CRT can be included once we update the profiles correctly.
 
Pyro9278 said:
PowerscalingCat wants to create a CRT for the CQC multiplier, but I feel it's more important to let him do his CRT because it could define the speed and even the AP of a large part of the verse. LS's CRT can be included once we update the profiles correctly.
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So I think it's important for he created his CRT that included Doom's class M
 
Pyro9278 said:

Another Class M feat, this time from Lookism. If anyone falls outside the Doom scale, with Gun we can scale up those who are missing. Incredibly, even Goo scales up to this, considering he was even weaker than when they fought before.
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That reminds me, there's an accepted feat for Kengan Ashura that also works off compressing concrete and it got incredibly high.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:NikHelton/Rei_withstands_a_huge_onslaught
Do we have any stepping feats like this? I remember there's the Daniel vs Gitae punch where the shockwave seemingly originates from Daniel stepping. (Although I think a lot of people have mistaken it for coming from his punch).

Daniel Stomp

If possible, could you @MVMRainAngel recalc this feat but with it being a stomp instead of a punch? It might be able to count as LS.
 
Pyro9278 said:
PowerscalingCat wants to create a CRT for the CQC multiplier, but I feel it's more important to let him do his CRT because it could define the speed and even the AP of a large part of the verse. LS's CRT can be included once we update the profiles correctly.
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Wait, huh? What exactly is he planning with the CQC Multiplier?

Is it just to scale certain characters of the verse w/ the multi?
 
Kakistan said:
That reminds me, there's an accepted feat for Kengan Ashura that also works off compressing concrete and it got incredibly high.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:NikHelton/Rei_withstands_a_huge_onslaught
Do we have any stepping feats like this? I remember there's the Daniel vs Gitae punch where the shockwave seemingly originates from Daniel stepping. (Although I think a lot of people have mistaken it for coming from his punch).

Daniel Stomp

If possible, could you @MVMRainAngel recalc this feat but with it being a stomp instead of a punch? It might be able to count as LS.
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That kind of LS method is invalid nowadays (like it always should've been). Many feats like that have been rejected nowadays. Stomps are AP not LS, to be an LS, said character has to be jumping or running off from that step like the Goo one.
 
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CatLover313 said:
That kind of LS method is invalid nowadays (like it always should've been). Stomps are AP not LS, to be an LS, said character has to be jumping or running off from that step like the Goo one.
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And if the calc is still on the verse page, a CRT will be needed to remove it (and likely will be approved using modern reasons). Kengan.
 
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CatLover313 said:
That kind of LS method is invalid nowadays (like it always should've been). Many feats like that have been rejected nowadays. Stomps are AP not LS, to be an LS, said character has to be jumping or running off from that step like the Goo one.
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Makes sense, all of the top Kengan and Baki feats are from years ago.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Un_Maruchan_Crudo/Garouden:Shozan_Matsuo_twist_a_tatami This one seems to be the most egregious, especially considering how the actual feat is shown. Here since the imgur on it is dead

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/Baki_stops_the_knife Also, no clue how this one got to 6000m/s

Then there are the top Kengan speed calcs which all use the bogus snail speed for speed blitzing.

Now that I'm really noticing it, I have no doubt that Lookism matches up to them.
 
Kakistan said:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/Baki_stops_the_knife Also, no clue how this one got to 6000m/s
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For this one, I just have an issue with the 2nd measurement calculated through the ang-size method. Technically, it does need to be updated but personally, just stick with the 0.04597 meters for the "Distance moved by projectile when character started to move" rather than ang-sizing how much it travels. At the least, it does have to 100% be updated using the new ang-size method.
Kakistan said:
Then there are the top Kengan speed calcs which all use the bogus snail speed for speed blitzing.
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If it's using the old slow mo w/o passing requirements for the new one, then I agree.
 
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