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RULES:
Absence's Low-Mid regeneration is restricted
Cloud Nine's Temperature Manipulation, Transmutation and higher speed via Plasma is restricted
Absence is in his Pre-Innae Pillar Absorption key while Cloud Nine is in his Pre-Hyper Blue key
Anything above 7-C is restricted and starting distance is 10 meters
Speed is equalized
NOTES: Absence has a 2.403x AP advantage
Absence has the Range advantage
Both characters have equal Combat IQ
Cloud Nine has the LS advantage
Cloud Nine has the Stamina advantage
Since Absence is the one with the significant AP advantage, does Cloud get their regen for themself
Unfortunately for Absence, they’re on a bit of a timer here, since their peak human stamina means that they can only fight for like 10ish minutes before tiring. Except, that doesn’t really matter much, most of their fights don’t take anywhere near that long because I don’t have the time to animate allat they’re skilled and strong enough to end the match early.
Cloud Nine’s best abilities (from what I can tell from how they were argued for in the last few matches) are his plasma/radiation manip, temp manip, transmutation, duplication, and immortality/regen.
Nine’s transmutation (where he turns Absence into plasma) requires him to get his hands on Absence, which Absence can ensure doesn’t happen via their strong mobility options & their spammable hitstun projectiles that would momentarily freeze Nine for a moment. Also it’s restricted but like who cares.
Temp manip would also be an issue if the temperature didn’t scale to a nuke. You know who also scales to the temperatures of a nuke? Absence’s heat resistance, meaning that they can easily tank a few blasts if they ever need to. Also it’s restricted but who cares.
Nine’s duplication seems strong on the surface, since iirc it was argued that she’d be using an army of clones against Charlotte during their match (or smth like that), but his profile says that he only made two of them. While Nine can attempt to use the dupes & themself to overwhelm Absence, Absence probably wouldn’t fall for it due to the simple fact that I am literally, no joke, currently producing the animation where Absence clutches a 1v8 ambush. Even if you don’t wanna use feats that haven’t been fully MADE yet, he was still shown a keeping up with both the Purple and Red Prototype’s during their fast melee clash, only taking 1 hit throughout that exchange (I know it doesn’t look allat visually impressive I sucked at animation & choreography back then and kinda still do ), so it isn’t much of a stretch to say he could keep up in an engagement with 3 fighters at long range.
Anyways, Nine’s best win con here is definitely their plasma manip (not radiation manip tho, Absence can tank a nuke after all). From what I know, plasma is not inherently radiation, meaning Absence’s resistance doesn’t have him covered on this front. Additionally, Nine’s plasma manip is a blitz value above his regular speed (which, really Flip? I had to convince you that Absence having a single attack 4.22x faster than his combat speed was ok since it required a charge time, but a blitz is allowed?), meaning it’d be difficult for Absence to dodge even if they’ve teleported to god know’s where. But, Absence’s most notable feature in this tournament has been their range, and this match is no exception. If Absence were to sit outside of Cloud’s range and spam hitstun projectiles & beams at him (maybe even the 4.22x faster-than-themself beam that does enough damage to bypass his immortality), Cloud is incapable of closing the gap because teleportation is really strong when your game plan is essentially camping.
Nine’s plasma manip is a blitz value above his regular speed (which, really Flip? I had to convince you that Absence having a single attack 4.22x faster than his combat speed was ok since it required a charge time, but a blitz is allowed?)
That gives Absence another method of avoiding dying to the plasma: avoiding it. They should be able to dodge something that shares equal speed with them from long ranges.
Though, despite all of what I’ve said and how concrete it may seem, I’m not voting yet. Cloud Nine is probably much more complicated of a character to crack than I’m making it out to be and so I will wait for a counter argument before voting.
I mean I was going to give him Analytical Perdiction given he has multiplied brain processing speed. It's just in the world of The Boys, around damn frauds and Homelander who can't handle his smoke he never really had to use it lol
Also he should probably have resistance to Analytical prediction
I mean Cloud Nine did use his electromagnetic field manipulation on Homelander to drag him down to the ground. So it'd still work
Cloud Nine's chaotic intelligence is such that Sage admits she can't predict what Cloud Nine would do all thanks to his non linear thinking + 160,000 times brain processing speed
For reference this is Sage's intelligence:
Former Powers
Superhuman Intelligence: Sister Sage possesses superhuman intelligence powers, making her the smartest person in the world.[1] At the age of eleven, Sage, after studying for three days, discovered the cure for Stage 3 chronic lymphocytic leukemia. Another example is how she was able to accurately deduce that Homelander had an enlarged prostate by observing how clean his hands were. She also ran a successful propaganda campaign against Starlight and her supporters using disinformation and marketing techniques. She later claimed that if she wanted to, she could cure cancer and stop global warming through her intellect, but due to her misanthropy, she doesn’t even bother. She is self-taught and trained in almost every intellectual field she has studied and researched. She was able to place Homelander in a position of control over the country simply because she wanted to test her superpower. She managed to replicate the experiment the russians did on Soldier Boy in Kimiko in just a few hours.
Empathic Accuracy: Due to her immense understanding of psychology, she has an uncanny ability to gauge the mental state of others, making her a master manipulator. She instantly understood Homelander was scared of his mortality. She would later use this ability to figure out the psychological stress that Mother's Milk was under and induce a panic attack in him to create an opportunity to escape.Hypercognition:
Sage's hyperactive multitasking (reading while listening to a podcast), something impossible to humans
Sage can process information much faster and more efficiently than normal humans, allowing her to take in seemingly all the information she is presented with. This is demonstrated by her ability to simultaneously speed-read a book while listening to a sped-up lecture. She also noticed that Homelander was dyeing his hair more often, despite presumably never having met him in real life.Telepathic Resistance: Sage has the ability to resist the abilities of telepaths like Ashley, preventing them from reading her mind. As demonstrated when Ashley tried to read her mind, Sage’s superhuman Intelligence acts as a deterrent against psychic mind readers, as her mind is too vast and complex for them to read and attempting to do so may cause them severe migraines from entering her psyche.Photographic Memory: Sister Sage's has a photographic memory, allowing her to recall the past in incredible detail. Before losing her powers, Sister Sage had Othello memorized, but could no longer recall an exact quote once she was depowered. Sage describes her brain as previously having been "so loud" with all of the knowledge that she had.
he can make 160,000 clones of himself who can use his powers. Plasma smoke screen too
His solar Flare that takes a minute charge up that he can charge up while flying or using his clones thag share his durability, powers and abilities
The Solar Flare, generating an instantly lethal radiation field of over 12,500 Grays per second even at a distance of 1 kilometer. Anyone within a few kilometers would receive thousands of times the fatal radiation dose in less than a blink of an eye.
At least 10 meters: 125 million Grays per second. Vaporizes matter instantly.
At 100 meters: 1.25 million Grays per second. Shreds DNA entirely.
At 1 kilometer: 12,500 Grays per second. Over 2,000 times the lethal human limit (5 Grays).
Also he DID beat down a one arm no powers human Homelander in his base form where he is basically a no powers human whos 5'6", 90 pounds with nothing but pure skill making up a power gap between him and a 5'10" dude
Not to mention even in Hyper form Homelander with his powers could physically overpower him (Like with Soldier Boy in a 1v1) and with skill and versatility he always used that power against him, like grabbing his fist, leaning into it and uppercut him away with a blast of plasma from his fist. He always loves taking advantage of his agility, like when he dodged Homelander flying at him to get the V1 from Cloud Nine's hand and then Cloud Nine grabbing his boot and spin throwing him into Soldier Boy. Plus dealing with the Tank (Shoot a beam at Soldier Boy to incace him in crystal temporary) to focus on Homelander's perdictable swings and lunges with his agility
helps his arms and legs are long, helps his reach
His 160,000 times brain processing speed helps him here. Plus his chaotic adaptable intelligence, fighting more with speed, agility to avoid hits
use restraining moves like his crystal restraints, a beam or cold plasma arrow that acts like a heat sink to Flash freeze whatever is hit by the beam or make a AOE flash freeze explosion, use his electromagnetic fields to hold them in place
Like you were about to give him that form of precog but couldn't since the tournament was already running (kinda like how I couldn't apply the Class M Absence feat since i calced it midtournament) or are you talking about the points in Nine's favor
I mean I was going to give him Analytical Perdiction given he has multiplied brain processing speed. It's just in the world of The Boys, around damn frauds and Homelander who can't handle his smoke he never really had to use it lol
Also he should probably have resistance to Analytical prediction
I mean Cloud Nine did use his electromagnetic field manipulation on Homelander to drag him down to the ground. So it'd still work
Cloud Nine's chaotic intelligence is such that Sage admits she can't predict what Cloud Nine would do all thanks to his non linear thinking + 160,000 times brain processing speed
For reference this is Sage's intelligence:
Former Powers
Superhuman Intelligence: Sister Sage possesses superhuman intelligence powers, making her the smartest person in the world.[1] At the age of eleven, Sage, after studying for three days, discovered the cure for Stage 3 chronic lymphocytic leukemia. Another example is how she was able to accurately deduce that Homelander had an enlarged prostate by observing how clean his hands were. She also ran a successful propaganda campaign against Starlight and her supporters using disinformation and marketing techniques. She later claimed that if she wanted to, she could cure cancer and stop global warming through her intellect, but due to her misanthropy, she doesn’t even bother. She is self-taught and trained in almost every intellectual field she has studied and researched. She was able to place Homelander in a position of control over the country simply because she wanted to test her superpower. She managed to replicate the experiment the russians did on Soldier Boy in Kimiko in just a few hours.
Empathic Accuracy: Due to her immense understanding of psychology, she has an uncanny ability to gauge the mental state of others, making her a master manipulator. She instantly understood Homelander was scared of his mortality. She would later use this ability to figure out the psychological stress that Mother's Milk was under and induce a panic attack in him to create an opportunity to escape.Hypercognition:
Sage's hyperactive multitasking (reading while listening to a podcast), something impossible to humans
Sage can process information much faster and more efficiently than normal humans, allowing her to take in seemingly all the information she is presented with. This is demonstrated by her ability to simultaneously speed-read a book while listening to a sped-up lecture. She also noticed that Homelander was dyeing his hair more often, despite presumably never having met him in real life.Telepathic Resistance: Sage has the ability to resist the abilities of telepaths like Ashley, preventing them from reading her mind. As demonstrated when Ashley tried to read her mind, Sage’s superhuman Intelligence acts as a deterrent against psychic mind readers, as her mind is too vast and complex for them to read and attempting to do so may cause them severe migraines from entering her psyche.Photographic Memory: Sister Sage's has a photographic memory, allowing her to recall the past in incredible detail. Before losing her powers, Sister Sage had Othello memorized, but could no longer recall an exact quote once she was depowered. Sage describes her brain as previously having been "so loud" with all of the knowledge that she had.
he can make 160,000 clones of himself who can use his powers. Plasma smoke screen too
His solar Flare that takes a minute charge up that he can charge up while flying or using his clones thag share his durability, powers and abilities
The Solar Flare, generating an instantly lethal radiation field of over 12,500 Grays per second even at a distance of 1 kilometer. Anyone within a few kilometers would receive thousands of times the fatal radiation dose in less than a blink of an eye.
At least 10 meters: 125 million Grays per second. Vaporizes matter instantly.
At 100 meters: 1.25 million Grays per second. Shreds DNA entirely.
At 1 kilometer: 12,500 Grays per second. Over 2,000 times the lethal human limit (5 Grays).
Also he DID beat down a one arm no powers human Homelander in his base form where he is basically a no powers human whos 5'6", 90 pounds with nothing but pure skill making up a power gap between him and a 5'10" dude
Not to mention even in Hyper form Homelander with his powers could physically overpower him (Like with Soldier Boy in a 1v1) and with skill and versatility he always used that power against him, like grabbing his fist, leaning into it and uppercut him away with a blast of plasma from his fist. He always loves taking advantage of his agility, like when he dodged Homelander flying at him to get the V1 from Cloud Nine's hand and then Cloud Nine grabbing his boot and spin throwing him into Soldier Boy. Plus dealing with the Tank (Shoot a beam at Soldier Boy to incace him in crystal temporary) to focus on Homelander's perdictable swings and lunges with his agility
helps his arms and legs are long, helps his reach
His 160,000 times brain processing speed helps him here. Plus his chaotic adaptable intelligence, fighting more with speed, agility to avoid hits
use restraining moves like his crystal restraints, a beam or cold plasma arrow that acts like a heat sink to Flash freeze whatever is hit by the beam or make a AOE flash freeze explosion, use his electromagnetic fields to hold them in place
Like you were about to give him that form of precog but couldn't since the tournament was already running (kinda like how I couldn't apply the Class M Absence feat since i calced it midtournament) or are you talking about the points in Nine's favor
I mean I was going to give him Analytical Perdiction given he has multiplied brain processing speed. It's just in the world of The Boys, around damn frauds and Homelander who can't handle his smoke he never really had to use it lol
Also he should probably have resistance to Analytical prediction
I mean Cloud Nine did use his electromagnetic field manipulation on Homelander to drag him down to the ground. So it'd still work
Cloud Nine's chaotic intelligence is such that Sage admits she can't predict what Cloud Nine would do all thanks to his non linear thinking + 160,000 times brain processing speed
For reference this is Sage's intelligence:
Former Powers
Superhuman Intelligence: Sister Sage possesses superhuman intelligence powers, making her the smartest person in the world.[1] At the age of eleven, Sage, after studying for three days, discovered the cure for Stage 3 chronic lymphocytic leukemia. Another example is how she was able to accurately deduce that Homelander had an enlarged prostate by observing how clean his hands were. She also ran a successful propaganda campaign against Starlight and her supporters using disinformation and marketing techniques. She later claimed that if she wanted to, she could cure cancer and stop global warming through her intellect, but due to her misanthropy, she doesn’t even bother. She is self-taught and trained in almost every intellectual field she has studied and researched. She was able to place Homelander in a position of control over the country simply because she wanted to test her superpower. She managed to replicate the experiment the russians did on Soldier Boy in Kimiko in just a few hours.
Empathic Accuracy: Due to her immense understanding of psychology, she has an uncanny ability to gauge the mental state of others, making her a master manipulator. She instantly understood Homelander was scared of his mortality. She would later use this ability to figure out the psychological stress that Mother's Milk was under and induce a panic attack in him to create an opportunity to escape.Hypercognition:
Sage's hyperactive multitasking (reading while listening to a podcast), something impossible to humans
Sage can process information much faster and more efficiently than normal humans, allowing her to take in seemingly all the information she is presented with. This is demonstrated by her ability to simultaneously speed-read a book while listening to a sped-up lecture. She also noticed that Homelander was dyeing his hair more often, despite presumably never having met him in real life.Telepathic Resistance: Sage has the ability to resist the abilities of telepaths like Ashley, preventing them from reading her mind. As demonstrated when Ashley tried to read her mind, Sage’s superhuman Intelligence acts as a deterrent against psychic mind readers, as her mind is too vast and complex for them to read and attempting to do so may cause them severe migraines from entering her psyche.Photographic Memory: Sister Sage's has a photographic memory, allowing her to recall the past in incredible detail. Before losing her powers, Sister Sage had Othello memorized, but could no longer recall an exact quote once she was depowered. Sage describes her brain as previously having been "so loud" with all of the knowledge that she had.
he can make 160,000 clones of himself who can use his powers. Plasma smoke screen too
His solar Flare that takes a minute charge up that he can charge up while flying or using his clones thag share his durability, powers and abilities
The Solar Flare, generating an instantly lethal radiation field of over 12,500 Grays per second even at a distance of 1 kilometer. Anyone within a few kilometers would receive thousands of times the fatal radiation dose in less than a blink of an eye.
At least 10 meters: 125 million Grays per second. Vaporizes matter instantly.
At 100 meters: 1.25 million Grays per second. Shreds DNA entirely.
At 1 kilometer: 12,500 Grays per second. Over 2,000 times the lethal human limit (5 Grays).
Also he DID beat down a one arm no powers human Homelander in his base form where he is basically a no powers human whos 5'6", 90 pounds with nothing but pure skill making up a power gap between him and a 5'10" dude
Not to mention even in Hyper form Homelander with his powers could physically overpower him (Like with Soldier Boy in a 1v1) and with skill and versatility he always used that power against him, like grabbing his fist, leaning into it and uppercut him away with a blast of plasma from his fist. He always loves taking advantage of his agility, like when he dodged Homelander flying at him to get the V1 from Cloud Nine's hand and then Cloud Nine grabbing his boot and spin throwing him into Soldier Boy. Plus dealing with the Tank (Shoot a beam at Soldier Boy to incace him in crystal temporary) to focus on Homelander's perdictable swings and lunges with his agility
helps his arms and legs are long, helps his reach
His 160,000 times brain processing speed helps him here. Plus his chaotic adaptable intelligence, fighting more with speed, agility to avoid hits
use restraining moves like his crystal restraints, a beam or cold plasma arrow that acts like a heat sink to Flash freeze whatever is hit by the beam or make a AOE flash freeze explosion, use his electromagnetic fields to hold them in place
1. A resistance to analytical prediction doesn't really matter here since Absence doesn't have his "likely precog" in this key (mostly because I'm nowhere close to animating the reveal that WOULD give him it here)
2. Cloud Nine wouldn't be able to drag down people outside of his range, I think
3. Absence, like Cloud, is also quite chaotic, being made of a substance described as chaotic. I go slightly more in depth (aka adding more mentions of it) in the history section of his updated profile (which I can't really apply yet since it has ability and stat changes) (still applicable here tho since it's just personality & history stuff) which should help accurately describe their behavior
4. Source on the 160,000 clones thing? His profile only says "Made two solid plasma constructs of himself that he controlled remotely with his thoughts." The only time the number 160,000 is mentioned on the profile is in his speed section.
5. It's very interesting that Cloud Nine can kinda just one shot people kilometers away from him. Unfortunately, nothing you said leads me to believe he can ionize people hundreds of kilometers away from him. Also, Absence can survive normally fatal radiation doses, he literally survived a nuclear bomb from a relatively short distance away, so he can afford to graze the radiation.
6. Maybe he did beat up Fraudlander with pure skill but that's also ignoring Absence's level of skill. Absence is my most skilled character, with him being described as "more skilled than most professionals (including mercenaries and other skilled fighters)" and being described as "optimal" (I know him being described as optimal sounds a bit weird but he's based off of TAS's since I thought that would make for cool fight choreography).
7. what are long arms gonna do when Absence is hundreds of km away i'm crine
8. His brain processing speed is only that much faster than that of a normal person's. On his profile, his perception speed isn't tiered differently from his regular combat speed meaning that, under speed equalization rules, it isn't helping much.
He can make up to as many clones as a his multiplied brain processing speed basically
I mean I have a AU I'm going to do with him making 8 million clones with Hyper Blue to blasts endlessly at a asteroid heading towards Earth to blast it off course. And he controls all them via his telapath link
Also he can learn to counter his opponents on the fly due to his multiplied brain processing speed, remember he learned 4 material arts in less then a second
He can make up to as many clones as a his multiplied brain processing speed basically
I mean I have a AU I'm going to do with him making 8 million clones with Hyper Blue to blasts endlessly at a asteroid heading towards Earth to blast it off course. And he controls all them via his telapath link
Also he can learn to counter his opponents on the fly due to his multiplied brain processing speed, remember he learned 4 material arts in less then a second
Impressive, but it doesn't mean too much when everyone here has equalized speed and Nine's perception speed isn't notably higher than his other speed stats. Also, since speed equalization equalizes down to the lowest speed, it would equalize both competitors down to Absence's Mach 137.7. As an example, over 47 km can be travelled in a second by either of these guys and they both should have the perceptions needed to keep up with their own speed, so I'd imagine it'd be hard to coordinate with even 10 clones against Absence and their big beam which has already been shown piercing and vaporizing weaker folk than themself.
Even if Nine pulled an Angstrom and tried to send out as many clones at once as possible, Absence is capable of teleporting out of their range (and could likely do so multiple times in order to keep their distance), charging its beam (which doesn't take very long), and using it to. well. You know Homelander, right?
Not really, since Absence’s win conditions already come from getting away from Nine in order to gain distance and aid in dodging the Hax abilities that post a threat to itself.
Cloud Nine fights via overwhelming his opponent with speed & agility, to give them no breathing room and attacking with fast random strikes thanks to his non-linear thinking, when restricted in tight spaces he swaps to defense. Cloud Nine's fighting style fits someone who wants to end a fight as fast as possible & counter power that can physically overwhelm him thanks to his infinite stamina and regeneration
When Cloud Nine was 24 in his fight against Homelander he caught Homelander's punch and leaned back with it, then transferred the force of the punch into his other fist to uppercut Homelander (Using some Aikido) and another example is him grabbing Homelander's neck to spin him while shooting plasma jet from his elbows to throw him into a mountain, shattering it before running over to him in a bind of a eye to keep going
He uses his techniques with his powers he came up with on the fly thanks to his scientific knowledge
Tldr his whole fighting style is literally being unpredictable, fast, agile and relentless. He is NOT going to stop being on the attack, at a distance spam hundreds of 3 killoton of tnt blasts down to carpet bomb the whole area
Tldr his whole fighting style is literally being unpredictable, fast, agile and relentless. He is NOT going to stop being on the attack, at a distance spam hundreds of 3 killoton of tnt blasts down to carpet bomb the whole area
You’ll never guess what character of mine I am designing to have a similar fighting style. Also carpet bombing is a pretty difficult strategy to execute when you do not have the range to hit your opponent.
I honestly feel like we’re going in circles at this point, and I don’t like that. Circles are not the best shape, those are hexagons. Wanna just list out our characters’ overall advantages & disadvantages and have other people vote on the matchup?
Cloud Nine fights via overwhelming his opponent with speed & agility, to give them no breathing room and attacking with fast random strikes thanks to his non-linear thinking, when restricted in tight spaces he swaps to defense. Cloud Nine's fighting style fits someone who wants to end a fight as fast as possible & counter power that can physically overwhelm him thanks to his infinite stamina and regeneration
When Cloud Nine was 24 in his fight against Homelander he caught Homelander's punch and leaned back with it, then transferred the force of the punch into his other fist to uppercut Homelander (Using some Aikido) and another example is him grabbing Homelander's neck to spin him while shooting plasma jet from his elbows to throw him into a mountain, shattering it before running over to him in a bind of a eye to keep going
He uses his techniques with his powers he came up with on the fly thanks to his scientific knowledge
Tldr his whole fighting style is literally being unpredictable, fast, agile and relentless. He is NOT going to stop being on the attack, at a distance spam hundreds of 3 killoton of tnt blasts down to carpet bomb the whole area
Cloud Nine fights via overwhelming his opponent with speed & agility, to give them no breathing room and attacking with fast random strikes thanks to his non-linear thinking, when restricted in tight spaces he swaps to defense. Cloud Nine's fighting style fits someone who wants to end a fight as fast as possible & counter power that can physically overwhelm him thanks to his infinite stamina and regeneration
When Cloud Nine was 24 in his fight against Homelander he caught Homelander's punch and leaned back with it, then transferred the force of the punch into his other fist to uppercut Homelander (Using some Aikido) and another example is him grabbing Homelander's neck to spin him while shooting plasma jet from his elbows to throw him into a mountain, shattering it before running over to him in a bind of a eye to keep going
He uses his techniques with his powers he came up with on the fly thanks to his scientific knowledge
Tldr his whole fighting style is literally being unpredictable, fast, agile and relentless. He is NOT going to stop being on the attack, at a distance spam hundreds of 3 killoton of tnt blasts down to carpet bomb the whole area
), so it isn’t much of a stretch to say he could keep up in an engagement with 3 fighters at long range.
