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Hmm.. was told it would take a few days at most for staff to respond, but it’s been like over a week…
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A Regressor’s Tale Of Cultivation Proposal. (Part 1)
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Thats a fraud yo it's actually at LEAST
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Guess the first part might be accurate
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Low 1-A for the Plane of Qi is fine. I don't see sufficient evidence to justify an additional layer between the Plane of Fate and the Plane of Soul. While the Plane of Fate is clearly portrayed as "higher" than the others, the evidence I see alone is not enough to quantify it as an additional 1-A layer.
The True Immortal Realm would be another layer beyond that, but I don't see anything supporting High 1-A.
From my understanding, the Planes of Fate, Soul, and Qi are themselves composed of multiple planes, with the highest points of those structures intersecting at the True Immortal Realm. If that interpretation is correct, then True Immortals are essentially removing the "lower" aspects of these planes from themselves while remaining subject to the highest aspects. As a result, they do not actually transcend the hierarchical framework formed by the planes themselves; they simply occupy its apex.
That distinction is important because sitting at the top of a hierarchy is not the same thing as operating under an entirely different framework, which is generally what High 1-A requires.
The True Immortal Realm would be another layer beyond that, but I don't see anything supporting High 1-A.
From my understanding, the Planes of Fate, Soul, and Qi are themselves composed of multiple planes, with the highest points of those structures intersecting at the True Immortal Realm. If that interpretation is correct, then True Immortals are essentially removing the "lower" aspects of these planes from themselves while remaining subject to the highest aspects. As a result, they do not actually transcend the hierarchical framework formed by the planes themselves; they simply occupy its apex.
That distinction is important because sitting at the top of a hierarchy is not the same thing as operating under an entirely different framework, which is generally what High 1-A requires.
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No, the true immortal real is literally just above the hierarchy of the planes, it is a big point during the MC transformation to true immortal.
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I feel like it’s good to note that the highest points of the planes within the saha world ≠ to the planes outside the saha world. The ones outside the saha world are pretty explicitly equal to or above the ti realm, which undifferentiates the hierarchy of lower planes.
It can be said that the highest planes of qi soul fate and the True Immortal Realm operate on a different higher “quality” compared to the lower planes’s hierarchy, which can qualify for h1a iirc.
This is shown by the fact that the entirety of the hierarchy corresponding to the Saha World/ (the lower planes) are equally said to coexist and be like a painting in reference to the True Immortal Realm.
It would be pretty weird to say they are apart of the same hierarchy, as the difference between planes within the saha world is very distinctly different compared to the difference between the Saha World and the True Immortal Realm.
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Also, about the plane of fate, what more would be needed in order to establish a layer into 1-A?
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Every layer of 1-A is qualitatively superior to the last compared to the rest of the Hierarchy. This would suit the description of the True Immortal Realm as well.
It being a different type of transcendence does not make it a Meta-Qualitive one.
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It doesn’t just have qs over the previous plane, it undifferentiates the lower and higher planes viewing them all as equally fictional.
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I understand that, but it's still within the same framework, just a higher quality.
A high qualitative reality will naturally view lower realities as equally fictional.
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It quite explicitly isn’t within the same framework, hence the need to remove all qualities corresponding to the planes.
The framework itself is contained within the “painting”.
Also, copying an explanation from someone else, from the perspective of TI’s, the difference between 1-A and non 1-A is 0, therefore, the difference between any and all possible 1-A layers should also be 0.
1-A layers can also be analogized to dimensions, if you have r>f where there is no difference between higher and lower dimensions since they are equally fictional, you would be 1-A, with the same logic applied to 1-A layers, you would be High 1-A.
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Yet it's still bound by the highest planes of the qualities they removed, so clearly it didn't remove all qualities and is still bound by that framework.
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How about this
To affect the incarnation of a True Immortal that resides in the Plane of Fate, it requires ascending or using a fate-level ability like an Immortal Art. In the same way, if a spirit is raised, it wouldn't be affected by a curse from the Plane of Qi and Soul.
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This can be resistance, but it wouldn't be sufficient evidence.
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Imagine for a sec, that I was arguing for a 1-A realm. The 1-A realm has its own higher version of spacetime. Would you say that it’s still bound by the framework of dimensionality therefore it isn’t 1-A? Or would you say it isn’t an antifeat since “the framework of dimensionality” it operates on is fundamentally superior to the lower framework? The same thing applies here. It isn’t bound by the lower framework of planes. It operates on a different, higher, framework of planes. Also, my point about undifferentiation still stands.
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No, but dimensions are quantitative, not qualitative.
I get what you're trying to say, believe me, I do, but I would prefer having more solid evidence for High 1-A than what is currently presented. That's just my own feelings on the matter.
Other staff may have different opinions, but for me, things seem to cap out at 2 Layers into 1-A.
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its hard to visualize because Immortal Cultivation System gave aid to reach Plane of Fate as early as qi refining
well, if we crawl from material world, the principle and ontological structure clearly distinct and separated here.
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The dimension stuff is just an analogy for 1-A layers. Thanks for the input. Though for the record, if you’re wondering, i’m not pulling this out of nowhere, as there’s already a precedent of character(s) being accepted for High 1-A through the same logic.
Anyways, would this help with +1 layer plane of fate? Something something it being a higher, more abstract plane where things exist in symbolic forms. (+ the other scans of things of lower planes materializations that are anchored by these higher truths within the plane of fate, and being impossible to interact with through lower planes.)
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Symbols are sort of like Platonic Concepts, right? Pairing this with the salt description, I suppose it's fine.
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Peak, I guess I can put you for disagree for the TI realm (or maybe neutral), and agree for the rest of the stuff?
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Yeah
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Regarding this, could you give examples on what more solid evidence entail? I have a lot of scans but I have no clue on if they’re relevant or not.
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Does disagree give any demerit or just a way to express mods opinions only?
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Tyrkanzyaka said that true immortal realms are just higher on a planes and view lower realms on the same planes as fiction. As I said before, this is not enough to reach High 1-A. If TI realms were truly beyond planes, viewing both the planes and the material world as fiction without distinguishing the ontological difference between them, then it would be High 1-A.
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Which the true immortal realm does, it equally views the Saha world planes and everything below as fictional without distinguishing them hence every single analogy of the true immortal realm’s superiority always lumps all of the lower planes together and describes their inferiority in singular ways (the 3 planes being the painting, or inside a videogame), or the fact that the lower planes are said to coexist (meaning they are on the same level) within the true immortal realm (as the painting).
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