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Tighten vs Phenomaman

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Wanting to do more Dispatch matches, lets try this.
  • Speed is equalised
  • Phenomaman is 8-A
  • Fight takes place outside the SDN HQ at sunset
  • SBA otherwise
Megamind's Mistake: 1

Knock Off Omni Man: 4

Incon: 0
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Tighten

Hal Stewart, better known by his supervillain name Tighten, is the main antagonist of DreamWorks' 21st full-length animated feature film Megamind. He is the former nerdy and shy cameraman of Roxanne Ritchie who later became a vengeful, traitorous, and destructive supervillain as he was hit by...
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There is a matter of skill. Now SDN work doesn't always involve fighting. You could be sent to grab coffee. But fighting is also a very normal task to get sent on. And Phenomaman is a seasoned superhero. Also, we see from the dispatch missions, Phenomaman can be sent on plenty of combat missions against physically stronger enemies. Fighting the Kaiju. Tearing down the Red Ring barricade while fighting them. Fighting Mister Fister.

Phenomaman has Tighten beat in terms of combat skill and has experience fighting things stronger than he is.

The only thing that's left is Tighten's heat vision and Phenomaman has absorption to deal with that.
 
TheAngryOrange said:
There is a matter of skill. Now SDN work doesn't always involve fighting. You could be sent to grab coffee. But fighting is also a very normal task to get sent on. And Phenomaman is a seasoned superhero. Also, we see from the dispatch missions, Phenomaman can be sent on plenty of combat missions against physically stronger enemies. Fighting the Kaiju. Tearing down the Red Ring barricade while fighting them. Fighting Mister Fister.

Phenomaman has Tighten beat in terms of combat skill and has experience fighting things stronger than he is.

The only thing that's left is Tighten's heat vision and Phenomaman has absorption to deal with that.
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I doubt those stronger enemies vastly outclass Pheonomaman in LS on the same scale Tighten does. Tighten is literally one on a completely different tier in terms of LS (Class K vs Class G); he easily rips Phenomaman apart with such a wide gap.

Skill and absorption do not really mean much when Tighten simply needs to get his hand on Phenomaman to win.
 
Doggo said:
I doubt those stronger enemies vastly outclass Pheonomaman in LS on the same scale Tighten does. Tighten is literally one on a completely different tier in terms of LS (Class K vs Class G); he easily rips Phenomaman apart with such a wide gap.

Skill and absorption do not really mean much when Tighten simply needs to get his hand on Phenomaman to win.
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Whether or not LS difference means one can rip the other in half is going to get debated if that counts. I've seen it like in a dozen other threads and I don't think an official conclusion was ever made.

But even if it did, ripping people in half isn't Tighten's style. Look at his battles with an unsuited Megamind. Heat vision, throwing things at him, throwing him at things, and punching. But no ripping.

Even the suited Megamind (since you might say he only didn't rip for the age rating). He didn't rip off parts of the suit. He punched through them. Even when it came to Megamind hiding in the car. He only tore off the car door after punching through it.


And for how much Phenomaman's enemies can outstrength him? Phenomaman has a vigor of 7. In one mission you have to catch a jet. It was a small jet but even the superjumbos are only about 500 tons. The vigor for that was 8. (Also happens to be in his class K range. The stat given on his profile is about 400 tons)

In another mission, you have to hold up a major bridge while they evacuate it. It's an overland bridge so it's some sort of overpass. Vigor for that is 10. And no precise weights to find online but you're getting numbers hundreds of thousands of tons.

Fighting Mister Fister and that one Kaiju have 10 vigor.

Not as high as Tighten but it does mean that Phenomaman can handle foes in a strength category that vastly outclass him.
 
Doggo said:
idk what Phenoman is supposed to do here when Tighten holds an extreme LS advantage.
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From what's been said Tighten doesn't open with grappling?

TheAngryOrange said:
Whether or not LS difference means one can rip the other in half is going to get debated if that counts. I've seen it like in a dozen other threads and I don't think an official conclusion was ever made.
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Iirc I heard you need higher AP and higher LS to rip someone apart, from the calcs I can see knock off Omni Man scales to 807.29 tons and Tighten 808.96 tons. The ap gap is so miniscule that ripping apart wouldn't work here imo. Restraining/choking out could still be an option but considering Tighten is kind of a dolt in fighting idk if he'd even attempt this.
 
Stillwinston said:
Iirc I heard you need higher AP and higher LS to rip someone apart, from the calcs I can see knock off Omni Man scales to 807.29 tons and Tighten 808.96 tons. The ap gap is so miniscule that ripping apart wouldn't work here imo. Restraining/choking out could still be an option but considering Tighten is kind of a dolt in fighting idk if he'd even attempt this.
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I thought that is only made to deal with the LS meta where characters with lower AP can rip apart those with higher LS? If both characters are even if AP then LS ripping should be ok


Stillwinston said:
From what's been said Tighten doesn't open with grappling?
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I never said he would start with it. You can say it's something he will just resort to once he realizes his heat vision is useless, and his AP is not high enough to deal substantial damage.
 
Doggo said:
I thought that is only made to deal with the LS meta where characters with lower AP can rip apart those with higher LS? If both characters are even if AP then LS ripping should be ok



I never said he would start with it. You can say it's something he will just resort to once he realizes his heat vision is useless, and his AP is not high enough to deal substantial damage.
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Well ripping apart would still take great effort though imo because of the even ap gap? Like its not even 2x. Pheno isn't just gonna sit there lol, he can be easily depressed but he can also lock in too. Choking out could work but again Pheno could just fly into space or smth while being held ig.
 
Stillwinston said:
Well ripping apart would still take great effort though imo because of the even ap gap? Like its not even 2x. Pheno isn't just gonna sit there lol, he can be easily depressed but he can also lock in too. Choking out could work but again Pheno could just fly into space or smth while being held ig.
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That is not how it works. LS sorta just denies durabilty if you have the advantage. Maybe if Phenomaman were to be 7x stronger then sure Tighten cannot LS diff, but a barely 2x difference in Tighten's favor? Rips him like cheese
 
Like I said, this debate has happened in plenty of other VS threads and it's never been settled. Usually 2 people continue going back and forth about it while everybody else moves on from the topic. Coincidentally this happened for another Class K LS opponent against Tighten: Homelander. And the discussion was more focused on who was the more skilled of the two.

Even if Tighten could rip Phenomaman in half, once he sees his heat vision doesn't work it's still unlikely he would try that. Look at his battles with Megamind. Even when he manages to grab Megamind or just about anything related to Megamind, he either heat visions it, throws it, or tries to punch it. That's assuming he goes for a grab. He still more often just goes for a punch or throws something.

If heat vision is off the table for him, he'll still likely resort to his other go-to's.
 
Hal scales to 150 mil metric tons while seen grunting with effort throwing a skyscraper 3000 times lighter? Aight...

But yeah, Tighten would never resort to just ripping someone in half. That would require intelligence and skill he does not have, he is super straight forward in terms of fighting.

I'll vote Katon-Ur, via better skill and experience, and slight AP advantage.
 
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