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Silver Surfer Page Update + 1A Energy Manipulation Rating
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mostly the fact that for some reason we(and by we I mean what’s accepted on the wiki) act like the default assumption for an abstract is that their in a 1-A manifestation even though their manifestations are normally not 1-A, and we’re ridiculously generous in what qualifies for encompassing all of earth 616,
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Nightmare is 1-A due to his realm. That's all well and good, but the problem comes from the fact that Nightmare absolutely does not have qualitative superiority over Skyfather Tier characters. Doctor Strange blatantly scales to him, and characters like Mephisto and Loki blatantly scale to Doctor Strange. There are tons of other examples of this (Hell Lords fighting Dormammu, Odin being stated to have the power to kill the Phoenix, etc.). So, the problem is that if we accept these feats as 1-A, we have to scale all of these characters to 1-A if we want to accurately represent the relative power dynamics.
There is also the issue of Skyfather Tier characters having the power to destroy more than just Earth-616. Odin is stated in a guidebook to have the power to destroy all realities, Galactus fighting Scrier and the Other would have destroyed all realities in the Multiverse, Eric Masterson's power could collapse all timelines, Amora's damage to Yggdrasil almost destroyed all realities, Phoenix Force affected all alternate Earths, etc. Even if you don't consider statements like "pan-dimensional" and "every plane of reality" to include 1-A planes like the Astral Realm, these definitely do.
There is also the issue of Skyfather Tier characters having the power to destroy more than just Earth-616. Odin is stated in a guidebook to have the power to destroy all realities, Galactus fighting Scrier and the Other would have destroyed all realities in the Multiverse, Eric Masterson's power could collapse all timelines, Amora's damage to Yggdrasil almost destroyed all realities, Phoenix Force affected all alternate Earths, etc. Even if you don't consider statements like "pan-dimensional" and "every plane of reality" to include 1-A planes like the Astral Realm, these definitely do.
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Tbf drawing from a 1-A source doesn't automatically put you on that level, though it does largely remove the concern of anti-feats.
His astral form can attack beings on a 1-A plane, but not his standard AP.
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Flash does that by absorbing the entire speed force, I’m fairly certain silver surfer isn’t able to absorb the entire power cosmic
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Meh, they should be ( tier bound to dimensionsiona tiering that’s explicitly below 1-A) in base and 1-A in astral form / space
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Yeah that’s fair
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Flash absorbed the speedforce in post crisis era where the dimension wasn't as defined as it is now , post rebirth speedforce is the impressive speed force. If absorbing the speed force is why is he is high outer then I guess he needs to be downgraded then
The only reason speed force is now high outer is due to upgrade it received in 2024/25 flash comic with the deep change of things.
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First of all that’s not quite how that works, second of all we aren’t going to discuss a flash downgrade in a silver surfer thread, they aren’t even from the same verse
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