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A Wild Last Historian Appeared ! (KLEIN MORETTI VS RUPHAS MAFAHL | 9 - 2 - 0)

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Rules :
1. Speed is Equalised
2. 1000 Metre Distance
3. Goddess Key Ruphas is used (Starts Baseline 1-A)
4. Lord of the Mysteries key Klein is used

KLEIN MORETTI : @SuperNova55555 @Tatsumi504 @Hecky2222 @Thehappikat @Thunderman101 @Devourer1 @Ruler_Star_Kuma @Mugen-Kokutosho-Jigoku @Mr._East_Statement
RUPHAS MAFAHL : @Enter_Bluey @WorthyRhinoceros951
INCON :

Fight Ost :
 
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Does Ruphas have anything against MM3 ? Otherwise I shall have to give it to 1 LoTM atom
 
Strongest Isekai per year (I'll exclude chinamen with MTL or those not popular enough)

2024 : Awlba
2025 : IaP
2026 : LoTM
2027 : LoTM
2028 : LoTM
2029 : LoTM
2030 : LoTM
 
Settings make it so you are auto the strongest, undefeatable in said setting, and have what is required to win. The plot point/scenario is forced that way. Also making you completely unaffected, "immune", for that layer of setting. That includes laying over metaphysical aspects accordingly while adapting. Including mind stuff and mental resistance too. Like it gets forced onto themself.

So yeah no, it's not about "more complex", they literally just can't go insane. Even if they could, it'd be forced not to happen. You have to get around their hax.

Does klein smurf?
 
Settings make it so you are auto the strongest, undefeatable in said setting, and have what is required to win. The plot point/scenario is forced that way. Also making you completely unaffected, "immune", for that layer of setting. That includes laying over metaphysical aspects accordingly while adapting. Including mind stuff and mental resistance too. Like it gets forced onto themself.

So yeah no, it's not about "more complex", they literally just can't go insane. Even if they could, it'd be forced not to happen. You have to get around their hax.

Does klein smurf?
The MM3 in LoTM manifests because lesser noetic activities like sense or sequential thinking cannot be directed towards Godhood and/or Symbolism, so the mind inherently manifests a partial view of a being that doesn't even truly exist, and at that moment the corruption and madness begins stemming from the subconscious itself. In fact, it is complexity itself that causes the issue here, which is why the only way to attain knowledge of these MCF is via reversion into oneself and unity.

This act of "transcendence" you speak about here in AWBLA is immediately undermined by the fact there is division between subject transcending and the object which is being transcended; i.e. a duality between the “ego” of oneself and the other. This isn’t something that can be transcended because it is pre-supposed that there is a distinct object to be transcended.
 
Immunity argument is pretty buns icl, at best you can argue her passives(iirc she had death hax, power absorption) before Ruphas perceiving Klein and getting MM3 diffed
 
Immunity argument is pretty buns icl, at best you can argue her passives(iirc she had death hax, power absorption) before Ruphas perceiving Klein and getting MM3 diffed
At the level of Above the Sequences (Klein's last key), corruptive knowledge triggers by simply knowing he even exists, she doesn't even need to look at Klein to get slimed
 
The MM3 in LoTM manifests because lesser noetic activities like sense or sequential thinking cannot be directed towards Godhood and/or Symbolism, so the mind inherently manifests a partial view of a being that doesn't even truly exist, and at that moment the corruption and madness begins stemming from the subconscious itself. In fact, it is complexity itself that causes the issue here, which is why the only way to attain knowledge of these MCF is via reversion into oneself and unity.

This act of "transcendence" you speak about here in AWBLA is immediately undermined by the fact there is division between subject transcending and the object which is being transcended; i.e. a duality between the “ego” of oneself and the other. This isn’t something that can be transcended because it is pre-supposed that there is a distinct object to be transcended.
Yeah no. In both baseline 1A, including this gets overlayed by their hax layers, as their aspects become superior to it. Including the plot aspect which they dont have. Maybe in a completely normal match where smurf stuff is involved, sure, but their will and adaptation make it so this process does not involve them. They don't try and understand the complexity in itself anyway.

Imagine it like this:

You have two people viewing a complex equation they've never seen before. It involves, symbols, knowledge, they've never seen before.

Person 1: They see and try to understand the equation. Their mind tries to perceive it, and they go mad. Simple enough, they go crazy trying to figure out how it works.

Person 2: They see the equation and do not care. Instead their mindset is "I don't need it", their minds don't try solve innately, don't and pay attention to the mechanics behind it. Their power is to solve, or "do anything" just because they can believe it before even experiencing it. Pure ignorancy.


Person 2, is someone like Ruphas. In battle of Gods, you maintain ignorance about what you face. It doesn't matter what complex thing tried to defeat you, in any way displayed. As long as you have the innate mindset "I can do it", it's passively solved anyway. Their mindset didnt understand it, they don't need to, and they don't try to. This gets forced to happen. You don't need to think about countermeasure, or what makes it "stronger" or "more complex". That is what makes you fall off in a fight.

The power at its core is the impossible. It's basically the embodiment of it. Every realistic possibility that can come about, they the opposite, unrealistic.

By utilizing this power, anything that should be "impossible", or "you can't do this", is automatically able to be done as long as you continue to believe. It's not "just" transcending, however reaching higher infinities or realities, and surpassing opponents who are beyond you, is part of it. That should be "impossible", and they ignore common sense and logic behind it.

For example, if someone tried to hit them with an all nullifying skill, that cancels and nullifies all abilities (your entire arsenal), it won't work. Even if it could one shot them instantly, before they react, it ignores the process between hitting and firing, is infinitely faster, or belongs to an entire, higher definition of speed that trivializes the lower concept of it entirely.

That is considered "'impossible" to defend against, "you cant block that", it's "unbeatable". To a god, they will believe they are stronger, and ignore these reasons, thus adapting to and rising above it thanks to Alovenus's power, mana. No matter the logic, theorems, common sense, laws, aspects, strength, speed of the elements determining these things. Go ahead and try and slime them by "corrupting by just knowing he exists" it still happens faster than that brotha.
You literally have to transcend individuality and dualism to read Tarot Cards in LOTM, this isnt your playground kid
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Lol, assuming they're boutta read allat.

Immunity argument is pretty buns icl, at best you can argue her passives(iirc she had death hax, power absorption) before Ruphas perceiving Klein and getting MM3 diffed
Mental resistance isn't about "what kind of thing youre looking at". It's about making you unable to go crazy by looking at incomprehensible stuff. It shouldn't be specific type. The more resistance you have, the more sturdy your mental state and fortitude is, making it harder to go crazy off thing you don't understand. Your mind may not understand what you're seeing, but it has the fortitude to not go crazy. In awlba, this gets attuned to not only hax layers but willpower. Of which, both are infinite.

Icl I am seeing absolutely nothing on klein's profile that gets around their arsenal..at all. Also if they are being corrupted then it's not even solely "MM3" but another source trying to corrupt their beings, which in turn tries to make them go insane. The joke is dead, it's not even just mm3 anymore. That gets overlayed too anyway, the plot makes it not work. While they also exist many many infinities above them, so good luck corrupting one of their atoms ig?

So I'll have to ask again, is this stuff from a smurf source? If so I can see her losing. If not, and this battle is equalizing their cosmology or something, the then my vote remains Ruphas
 
At the level of Above the Sequences (Klein's last key), corruptive knowledge triggers by simply knowing he even exists, she doesn't even need to look at Klein to get slimed
Iirc, by SBA opponents don't gain damage from knowledge of the presence of their opponents that they gain from the same SBA
 
Lemme know who's voting for who

I can't tell sometimes with all the shitposting and LoTM atom soloing my existence
 
Yeah no. In both baseline 1A, including this gets overlayed by their hax layers, as their aspects become superior to it. Including the plot aspect which they dont have. Maybe in a completely normal match where smurf stuff is involved, sure, but their will and adaptation make it so this process does not involve them. They don't try and understand the complexity in itself anyway.

Imagine it like this:

You have two people viewing a complex equation they've never seen before. It involves, symbols, knowledge, they've never seen before.

Person 1: They see and try to understand the equation. Their mind tries to perceive it, and they go mad. Simple enough, they go crazy trying to figure out how it works.

Person 2: They see the equation and do not care. Instead their mindset is "I don't need it", their minds don't try solve innately, don't and pay attention to the mechanics behind it. Their power is to solve, or "do anything" just because they can believe it before even experiencing it. Pure ignorancy.


Person 2, is someone like Ruphas. In battle of Gods, you maintain ignorance about what you face. It doesn't matter what complex thing tried to defeat you, in any way displayed. As long as you have the innate mindset "I can do it", it's passively solved anyway. Their mindset didnt understand it, they don't need to, and they don't try to. This gets forced to happen. You don't need to think about countermeasure, or what makes it "stronger" or "more complex". That is what makes you fall off in a fight.

The power at its core is the impossible. It's basically the embodiment of it. Every realistic possibility that can come about, they the opposite, unrealistic.

By utilizing this power, anything that should be "impossible", or "you can't do this", is automatically able to be done as long as you continue to believe. It's not "just" transcending, however reaching higher infinities or realities, and surpassing opponents who are beyond you, is part of it. That should be "impossible", and they ignore common sense and logic behind it.

For example, if someone tried to hit them with an all nullifying skill, that cancels and nullifies all abilities (your entire arsenal), it won't work. Even if it could one shot them instantly, before they react, it ignores the process between hitting and firing, is infinitely faster, or belongs to an entire, higher definition of speed that trivializes the lower concept of it entirely.

That is considered "'impossible" to defend against, "you cant block that", it's "unbeatable". To a god, they will believe they are stronger, and ignore these reasons, thus adapting to and rising above it thanks to Alovenus's power, mana. No matter the logic, theorems, common sense, laws, aspects, strength, speed of the elements determining these things. Go ahead and try and slime them by "corrupting by just knowing he exists" it still happens faster than that brotha.

Lol, assuming they're boutta read allat.


Mental resistance isn't about "what kind of thing youre looking at". It's about making you unable to go crazy by looking at incomprehensible stuff. It shouldn't be specific type. The more resistance you have, the more sturdy your mental state and fortitude is, making it harder to go crazy off thing you don't understand. Your mind may not understand what you're seeing, but it has the fortitude to not go crazy. In awlba, this gets attuned to not only hax layers but willpower. Of which, both are infinite.

Icl I am seeing absolutely nothing on klein's profile that gets around their arsenal..at all. Also if they are being corrupted then it's not even solely "MM3" but another source trying to corrupt their beings, which in turn tries to make them go insane. The joke is dead, it's not even just mm3 anymore. That gets overlayed too anyway, the plot makes it not work. While they also exist many many infinities above them, so good luck corrupting one of their atoms ig?

So I'll have to ask again, is this stuff from a smurf source? If so I can see her losing. If not, and this battle is equalizing their cosmology or something, the then my vote remains Ruphas
This doesn’t address what I just said. Like at all.

Which makes this pretty telling:
Lol, assuming they're boutta read allat.
Whether or not someone can “just do whatever” doesn’t matter like at all. Because Ruphas’ hax don’t even attend to Godhood to begin with.

Because we’re talking about the pre-conditions for these sorta interactions. It’s like saying “a T0 doesn’t exist in this possible world”, even though you pre-suppose the T0 in the making of that proposition. So obviously the statement itself doesn’t actually capture anything meaningful, because the “meaning” of a T0 per se isn’t something that can be spoken about in such manner.

Similar principles are being applied here, because Ruphas’ hax are inherently delimited by the mode of intellection they remain at. Whether that is sensory or discursive. LoTM simply doesn’t function on either; that’s why Symbolism are monikerd as “indescribable”.
 
Aight but I'll slime anyone who disrespects LoTM Atoms or Klein writing diffing or aurafarm diffing
 
Ya'll are killing it with the LoTM pr today, huh?

or is it killing lotm pr, either works.
Because Ruphas’ hax don’t even attend to Godhood to begin with.

Because we’re talking about the pre-conditions for these sorta interactions.
somehow, throughout all the yap in this thread about atoms and shit, from heaven to earth, these feel like the only two important parts
 
You can't simply be dualistic and then imply you can "transcend" simplicity as an external object or whatever because that already pre-supposes a distinction between the two, fundamentally dualizing the interaction itself. That's the sorta issue Ruphas' is facing here. You can say "Ruphas beats Klein" or whatever, but that is displayed by fragmented modes of knowledge, of which is the exact reason why madness in LoTM manifests itself.

somehow, throughout all the yap in this thread about atoms and shit, from heaven to earth, these feel like the only two important parts
Because you're looking at the conclusion, or rather a simplistic version of the "yap". It is simply what follows from the things said prior to it.

Anyways, I'ma go nap. @Enter_Bluey if you're gonna post the same "Ruphas just wins because she wins", then don't even bother posting it. It adds nothing but more unsubstantial slop.
 
Arceus is next on the chopping block

I might make also Flash vs Klein to see MM3 versus Speed in action ✌️
Flash isn't H1-A he can go full speedforce to shatter whole environment, so nothing stops really Klein js nulling him before that unless we give him H1-A key straight up

But even if we do, let's say they fight; Flash will go destroying whole environment and while that knowledge hits him and result will be same as this match. Bc MM3 is smurf hax, so idek

Realistically Flash should be downgraded to 1-A Baseline but DC Supporters are lazy af
 
That Ruphas and Alovenus on and never off switch analogy goes crazy right now.

At first it was 'can ruph and alo's gimmick defend them from passives' and now it's this.. I don't wanna say it sounds like the main argument is ruphas thinking in general towards what she's facing (or if she just thinks 'it doesn't matter what it is, I can deal with this' to try and get a special personal resistance or whatever to the madness) is what game ends her, but..

heh
 
So wait, does it mean that Klein's MM3 comes from a High 1-A source (Godhood), which Klein is merely a manifestation/projection/reflection of?
 
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