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Never ask a CM scaler why the fragmentation of the archetype happens only in relation to few-dimensioned beings and not dimensioned beings in general
Do you want to me like...list everything wrong with this in rapid fire? Because there's A LOT of things to list 😒

First and foremost, this realis on multiple fallacious arguments; it's a non-sequitur, an anecdotal fallacy, false uniqueness bias, and just a straight out fabrication of what the text tells us, it doesn’t say only few-dimensioned beings view fragmentation, it just says that few-dimensioned beings view fragmentation; you’re baselessly equating that with only

Secondly, for like the 7th time this thread, you’ve completely ignored the blog and regurgitated things we’ve already refuted, the hounds of tindalos states that time and space are two sides of the same coin; so if something surpassed one, than by necessity it surpassed the other as their inherent to each other

But I'll humor you and give you a simple question; how is it that Carter, or Kuranes, or Atal, or any other dreamer still perceive fragmentation, yet exist beyond dimensionality? Hell, we could go off the current rating of Dreaming Self and it would still disprove your belief since according to the cosmology page, the dreamlands are infinite-dimensional

Not enough for you? How about the Ancient Ones, or the Other Gods, or Hypnos, or literally any other character well beyond, or if you wanted to downplay it, at the pinnacle of dimensionality. How do they still perceive differentiation if it only applied to beings of limited dimensions?

And last but not least, I thought I already explained to you how fragmentation works on that other thread? You said you were on vacation or something so you didn’t respond to it, but in short, the “fragmentation” is a result of individual entities being bound to the illusion of “perspective,” to explain what perspective is, Lovecraft gives the analogy of a cone being sliced at different angles. One slice makes a circle, another makes an ellipse, another makes a parabola, and so on. To someone only looking at the slices, those shapes seem completely different and separate from each other. But in reality, none of them are separate things at all. They are all just different cross-sections of the exact same cone. The cone itself was never divided or changed; only the perspective at which you view it was changed, but what's beyond the Ultimate Gate belies all perspective as that cone itself, so when Carter passes the Ultimate Gate, he is no longer viewing only one slice of the cone. He he was viewing all slices at once in one inseparable totality, or more accurately, he became the whole thing instead of just being one unreal slice of it, which is why he saw (or actually became since they’re as much himself as he is himself) "multiple" (but not actually multiple)
 
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Do you want to me like...list everything wrong with this in rapid fire? Because there's A LOT of things to list 😒

First and foremost, this realis on multiple fallacious arguments; it's a non-sequitur, an anecdotal fallacy, false uniqueness bias, and just a straight out fabrication of what the text tells us, it doesn’t say only few-dimensioned beings view fragmentation, it just says that few-dimensioned beings view fragmentation; you’re baselessly equating that with only

Secondly, for like the 7th time this thread, you’ve completely ignored the blog and regurgitated things we’ve already refuted, the hounds of tindalos states that time and space are two sides of the same coin; so if something surpassed one, than by necessity it surpassed the other as their inherent to each other

But I'll humor you and give you a simple question; how is it that Carter, or Kuranes, or Atal, or any other dreamer still perceive fragmentation, yet exist beyond dimensionality? Hell, we could go off the current rating of Dreaming Self and it would still disprove your belief since according to the cosmology page, the dreamlands are infinite-dimensional

Not enough for you? How about the Ancient Ones, or the Other Gods, or Hypnos, or literally any other character well beyond, or if you wanted to downplay it, at the pinnacle of dimensionality. How do they still perceive differentiation if it only applied to beings of limited dimensions?

And last but not least, I thought I already explained to you how fragmentation works on that other thread? You said you were on vacation or something so you didn’t respond to it, but in short, the “fragmentation” is a result of individual entities being bound to the illusion of “perspective,” to explain what perspective is, Lovecraft gives the analogy of a cone being sliced at different angles. One slice makes a circle, another makes an ellipse, another makes a parabola, and so on. To someone only looking at the slices, those shapes seem completely different and separate from each other. But in reality, none of them are separate things at all. They are all just different cross-sections of the exact same cone. The cone itself was never divided or changed; only the perspective at which you view it was changed, but what's beyond the Ultimate Gate belies all perspective as that cone itself, so when Carter passes the Ultimate Gate, he is no longer viewing only one slice of the cone. He he was viewing all slices at once in one inseparable totality, or more accurately, he became the whole thing instead of just being one unreal slice of it, which is why he saw (or actually became since they’re as much himself as he is himself) "multiple" (but not actually multiple)
Strike, we know that novas and co have this bad habit of arguing fallaciously( the whole question of time could not be clear like I said in my previous comment) but gang why making such a big comment when I already answered to him and we agreed to not continue? Rn it's Just for the love of the game kek.
 
Strike, we know that novas and co have this bad habit of arguing fallaciously( the whole question of time could not be clear like I said in my previous comment) but gang why making such a big comment when I already answered to him and we agreed to not continue?
It's for love of the game;) (but I also wanted add weight to your comment with the question of “how are beyond-dimensional/infinite-dimensional beings bound to perspective if it only applied to the beings of limited dimensions?")
I’ve come to the realization that Lovecraft is actually… a total buffoon with no literary coherency!
Son just called a man who was so renowned and influential to horror writing that he has an entire subgenre named after himself and went on the influence countless writers even outside of the horror genre/sphere of influence (which also included the Isekai slop that you scale) "mid"🙏
 
Son just called a man who was so renowned and influential to horror writing that he has an entire subgenre named after himself and went on the influence countless writers even outside of the horror genre/sphere of influence (which also included the Isekai slop that you scale) "mid"🙏

I think it should be obvious, but he is making fun of you and your inability to connect multiple statements without causing contradictions, all because you want to forcefully wank the verse.

If we take your interpretation into account, then Lovecraft is an incompetent writer incapable of maintaining logical coherence even within the same short story.
 
I was busy irl if you're wondering why i took so long
I think it should be obvious, but he is making fun of you
This was targeted toward someone else, how is it about me?
and your inability to connect multiple statements without causing contradictions
Funny part about this is that this is that it's the complete other way around, we've shown mountains of evidence that Nova's interpretation of Verse creates countless narrative contradicts both internally and across other stories whilst just being a horrible misreading of things, and to top it off, we gave another interpretation which doesn’t in any way birth contradicts whilst being very consistent both internally or externally, thus being the far better reading

Like how does someone unironically cap the Verse at High 1-B based on almost nothing when 1-A statements and portrayals are one of the most recurring tropes in Lovecraft's stories? It’s to the degree where I dare to show me more than 3 dream cycle stories which don’t have a 1-A portrayal
all because you want to forcefully wank the verse.
I'm going to be real with you chief, you genuinely like a 12 year old saying this; Toxic and his lapdogs just be calling ANYTHING they don't like "wank" without ever engaging open mindedly🫩
If we take your interpretation into account, then Lovecraft is an incompetent writer incapable of maintaining logical coherence even within the same short story.
Please show me any incompetence or logical incoherence, because you've regurgitated this same baseless claim without ever proving it; if you aren't going to give an actual argument, than you're nothing more than a waste of my time, also, see my second paragraph
 
I was busy irl if you're wondering why i took so long

This was targeted toward someone else, how is it about me?

Funny part about this is that this is that it's the complete other way around, we've shown mountains of evidence that Nova's interpretation of Verse creates countless narrative contradicts both internally and across other stories whilst just being a horrible misreading of things, and to top it off, we gave another interpretation which doesn’t in any way birth contradicts whilst being very consistent both internally or externally, thus being the far better reading

Like how does someone unironically cap the Verse at High 1-B based on almost nothing when 1-A statements and portrayals are one of the most recurring tropes in Lovecraft's stories? It’s to the degree where I dare to show me more than 3 dream cycle stories which don’t have a 1-A portrayal

I'm going to be real with you chief, you genuinely like a 12 year old saying this; Toxic and his lapdogs just be calling ANYTHING they don't like "wank" without ever engaging open mindedly🫩

Please show me any incompetence or logical incoherence, because you've regurgitated this same baseless claim without ever proving it; if you aren't going to give an actual argument, than you're nothing more than a waste of my time, also, see my second paragraph

Reading comprehension final boss. Nova and Shin already ragdolled you badly in this discussion. So embarrassing that not even Ultima is showing up due to a complete lack of interest.
 
Reading comprehension final boss. Nova and Shin already ragdolled you badly in this discussion. So embarrassing that not even Ultima is showing up due to a complete lack of interest.
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Oh... here we go again. Don't we have any other administrators besides ultima? Can't we just let them make the judgment?
 
What the quote is saying is: what people call change is merely the product of the mind of the archetypes, and those shapes appear to change but don't because they are merely local aspects of a changeless reality. So it's logical to think, "Oh, well, that's a statement that applies only to archetypes and that's it." But that's not the case, because then you're told that only a few scholars have learned to command these angles and thus conquered TIME AND CHANGE. So, it's telling you that time IS the angle (because the previous quote literally says that time = change). And that's the crux of the question. So, that statement about changing shapes and how they're illusions is merely in reference to the fact that, obviously, the ultimate abyss is outside of temporal change, but we have confermation later (but also before actually, via reasoning) that angularity isn't limited by temporal change, since the silver key can take you/transform you to places outside and beyond space and time by changing the angle of consciousness.

In short what I am saying is, that Scan and the cone analogy Is not talking about angles in general but only temporal angles and how if you see temporal angles as illusion, the cone analogy will be applicable to you so any realm/structure etc beyond time has this, basically another argument for "seeing time as illusion= Beyond dimensional framework."
I wanted to add something to what I said in this comment. In the comment before this one I'm commenting on, I said, "I guess, it's true by THAT scan ALONE you can make..." but I wanted to correct myself and say that no, not even with that single scan alone can you make that "intrinsicness" argument, because the scan presents the distinction between archetypes and conquerors of time not as temporal beings vs. beings outside of time by nature but in how much you command. There are beings who are slaves to these angles, but then there are these scholars who are the conquerors of time and change because they govern these angles, BUT the archetypes govern them all. So yes, it's a distinction of control, so genuinely these conquerors are by nature superior to these angles. also as I explained in the comment I'm commenting on, the reason they tell you "they command all angles" is that as I explained that in the quote these angles are time and we know, data in hand, that there are timeless angles, so the whole quote as far as the whole cone analogy is concerned is explaining to you any reality beyond temporal change.

but, I am just a lowly wanker so I don't matter in the grand scheme of things
 
broo the method is to engage in threads with raiki and send alotta messages. that guy likes literally every message anyone sends bru its op like method
Unironically that happened to me on the Gamoeverse discussion thread

Raiki seems like a chill person ngl

Or you can just get a bunch of people to like all the comments you've ever sent. (I'll kidnap mods if that's what it takes)
 
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