JJK H7C Status

[Arkenis]

After this thread, Uraume's ice berg was dropped to being 8A.
After this thread, Mechmaru's calc was also rejected with further analysis.

Edit:
Since those are both out, I'm either blanking on new scales or there is simply nothing useable for H7C, certainly not the values on pages now. So the H7C should be dropped and replaced with 8A from Uraume's calc. There is also Ryu's GB calc. So we have three options, we go with the new Uraume calc by KT, we go with Granite Blast by Abaddon, or we go back to the Max Frost Calm meta which is either 2.41 Kilotons or 2.95 Kilotons.

Not sure but this should be replaced given it's going on three months where nothing was changed. I lean towards the Granite Blast

Uraume Frost Calm: KT (Rodriigo calc)
Uraume's Ice Berg:
Ryu's Granite Blast:

 

[Mbpoops]

Following

 

[Arceus0x]

JJK vs One Piece in who can get the most downgrade CRTs

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

JJK vs One Piece in who can get the most downgrade CRTs

So where’s Bleach in this

 

[Arceus0x]

So where’s Bleach in this

It's deseperately trying to joing the fight

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways I'mma go back to being an anime-only who firmly believes the verse is tier 7.

The calm frost is probably good to use tho

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

agree with downgrade, frost calc is fine

 

[KingTempest]

frost calm calc is bunk too, it uses the same debunked method as the other ice feat

aka find a new scaling chain

Edit: nvm calc is fine

 

[Arkenis]

Which one I guess is more usable.

 

[KingTempest]

Rodriigo's calc is fine, the other one isn't

 

[Breadbear83]

What about Jogos maximum meteor melting a town? Weaker than uraunes calc but it's still High 7C https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...su_Kaisen:_Maximum_Meteor_Guidebook_Statement

Dunno if it's scales to less characters but should be a main calculation now (the anime calc as of the anime canonicity wouldn't be usable anyways right?)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

the only people who'd I'd 100% see scaling to jogo's meteor is 15F Sukuna (downscaling) as well as Gojo and Sukuna (upscaling off 15F sukuna) and no one has ever made a crt scaling them to it and succeed (usually cuz the crt dies)

 

[Arkenis]

I am sorta fine with it. Yuji saw Jogo vs Sukuna, thinks Yuta can fight Sukuna.

 

[Breadbear83]

the only people who'd I'd 100% see scaling to jogo's meteor is 15F Sukuna (downscaling) as well as Gojo and Sukuna (upscaling off 15F sukuna) and no one has ever made a crt scaling them to it and succeed (usually cuz the crt dies)

Are maximum techniques and maximum outputs techniques narratively supposed to be somewhat close in power?

Getos uzumaki should be Jogos level as the maximum technique of a special grade sorcerer (the technique even uses the power of other special grade curses)

As for uraumes, her frost calm as maximum output, not sure if it's scales as it's not the same kind of ability

 

[Breadbear83]

I am sorta fine with it. Yuji saw Jogo vs Sukuna, thinks Yuta can fight Sukuna.

It's later on shown that Yuji was just delusional cuz Ryu who was comparable to Yuta got 2 tapped by sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

Are maximum techniques and maximum outputs techniques narratively supposed to be somewhat close in power?

Getos uzumaki should be Jogos level as the maximum technique of a special grade sorcerer (the technique even uses the power of other special grade curses)

As for uraumes, her frost calm as maximum output, not sure if it's scales as it's not the same kind of ability

No. Maximums are superior. Geto's uzumaki used a bunch of weak curses, him being a special grade doesn't change the maximum its just the peak of their tech.

It's later on shown that Yuji was just delusional cuz Ryu who was comparable to Yuta got 2 tapped by sukuna

That Sukuna wasn't holding back on Ryu for the second one. But that doesn't change Yuji saw a meteor and thought Yuta could fight Sukuna after seeing what Jogo and Sukuna did. Loose logic but its fine to me.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

It's later on shown that Yuji was just delusional cuz Ryu who was comparable to Yuta got 2 tapped by sukuna

yuji had no idea about ryu but yuji is shwon having the memories of jogo vs. sukuna and sukuna vs. raga and thought yuta could win. at the very least, his belief in yuta's strength means he should br above the power sukuna displayed vs jogo, otherwise it makes yuji basically send yuta, Gojo's prized pupil, the stufent of the mentor he highly respects, to die knowing jogo's stronger and faster and that's out of character for yuji

 

[Arkenis]

yuji had no idea about ryu but yuji is shwon having the memories of jogo vs. sukuna and sukuna vs. raga and thought yuta could win. at the very least, his belief in yuta's strength means he should br above the power sukuna displayed vs jogo, otherwise it makes yuji basically send yuta, Gojo's prized pupil, the stufent of the mentor he highly respects, to die knowing jogo's stronger and faster and that's out of character for yuji

To add on, Gojo also thinks Yuta is good enough to protect Yuji. I wouldn't mind likely ratings if people can agree the story does make this clear Yuta>Jogo

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

To add on, Gojo also thinks Yuta is good enough to protect Yuji. I wouldn't mind likely ratings if people can agree the story does make this clear Yuta>Jogo

Lmao virgin

In regard to the scaling, I think it's pretty reasonable for a good portion of characters to scale above or far above Jogo outside of outliers like The Meteor. The disaster curses I'd honestly say is like what Mahoraga is for the top four but on a lower scale (Except for Mahito cause haha soul manipulation go brrr)

 

[Arkenis]

I linked it, does the link not work?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

to further further add on to this, if it's agreed that 15F scale to the meteor, Ryu survives a 16F sukuna slash (even though Sukuna was underestimating him, to say he's making this dismantle that many times weaker is wack) qnd weakened sukuna later notes that yuta and shinjuku yuji aren't inferior to ryu in durability and he'd need cleave to take them down

 

[BiggestOpp]

to further further add on to this, if it's agreed that 15F scale to the meteor, Ryu survives a 16F sukuna slash (even though Sukuna was underestimating him, to say he's making this dismantle that many times weaker is wack) qnd weakened sukuna later notes that yuta and shinjuku yuji aren't inferior to ryu in durability and he'd need cleave to take them down

He did not say that shit

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

He did not say that shit

noaya glazer once again wrong, what else is new

 

[Qurbonboev]

Would make anyone H7C scale to 195.51179239 Tons or we go back to the Max Frost Calm meta which is either 2.41 Kilotons or 2.95 Kilotons.

1. Would Ryu output actually be higher than output of Uraume maximum technique? (Won't press on this that much, you guys are more knowledgeable on this)
2. Og calc is invalid, cus it's calculates freezing the water, and we decided that it should calculate freezing of the air. But Rodriigo recalc isn't evaluated yet (Eljoaki only gave some instructions for fixing some assumptions and pixelscaling, which AFAIK weren't implemented). Besides it, we also have KT recalc, which uses old value and just uses new method(but it's not evaled too)

I am sorta fine with it. Yuji saw Jogo vs Sukuna, thinks Yuta can fight Sukuna.

All these arguments just mean "Yuta can handle Jogo", not "Yuta would survive direct hit by Jogo strongest technique". If Kusakabe and Panda managed to outrun Meteor, Yuta shouldn't have too much of issue in dodging it too. And also, there is ISL and whatnot

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

1. Would Ryu output actually be higher than output of Uraume maximum technique? (Won't press on this that much, you guys are more knowledgeable on this)
2. Og calc is invalid, cus it's calculates freezing the water, and we decided that it should calculate freezing of the air. But Rodriigo recalc isn't evaluated yet (Eljoaki only gave some instructions for fixing some assumptions and pixelscaling, which AFAIK weren't implemented). Besides it, we also have KT recalc, which uses old value and just uses new method(but it's not evaled too)

kt just said rodrii calc is fine

 

[DarkLock92]

1. Would Ryu output actually be higher than output of Uraume maximum technique? (Won't press on this that much, you guys are more knowledgeable on this)

Maximum Output ain't the same as Maximum technique

 

[Qurbonboev]

kt just said rodrii calc is fine

He isn't CGM. He can't give agreement to use not evaluated calc for scaling. Ask @Rodriigo to implement Eljoaki suggestions(or do it by yourself in your own calc)

 

[BiggestOpp]

noaya glazer once again wrong, what else is new

I think I saw a butchered translation. Excuse my ignorance

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I think I saw a butchered translation. Excuse my ignorance

oh, so sorry. didn't realize, you're excused.
john werry is still a damn plague on JJK

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

yuji had no idea about ryu but yuji is shwon having the memories of jogo vs. sukuna and sukuna vs. raga and thought yuta could win. at the very least, his belief in yuta's strength means he should br above the power sukuna displayed vs jogo, otherwise it makes yuji basically send yuta, Gojo's prized pupil, the stufent of the mentor he highly respects, to die knowing jogo's stronger and faster and that's out of character for yuji

I would say he was confident because of Yuta's massive CE and Special Grade status, not because he is stronger than Jogo's meteor. Yuta's CE control sucked during the Culling Game. He mostly carried himself with his massive CE reserves. Sukuna is known for his control, second only to Gojo, and he is one hell of a tank with more CE reserves than Yuta. He still said he could get damaged by Jogo's meteor. Personally, I don't agree with anyone other than 15F Sukuna, Gojo, Dabura, and Modulo Yuji scaling to that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

1. Would Ryu output actually be higher than output of Uraume maximum technique? (Won't press on this that much, you guys are more knowledgeable on this)

Max output is stack and its a CT and freezing method. Yeah I also have doubts regarding its scaling to others. I really don't understand how Ryu having max output relates to this. His statement is for pure energy output while calculation is about Uraume creating the ice?.

All these arguments just mean "Yuta can handle Jogo", not "Yuta would survive direct hit by Jogo strongest technique". If Kusakabe and Panda managed to outrun Meteor, Yuta shouldn't have too much of issue in dodging it too. And also, there is ISL and whatnot

Also this. Pretty much he could just dodge that there is no reason for Yuta to tank it.

 

[Qurbonboev]

If we decide that Ryu output shouldn't scale to Uraume freezing(her CE is naturally supercooled, so she isn't actually putting energy into it, and Eljoaki already suggested ditching this method of scaling), highest calc would be:

Meguna punching Yuji: 36 tonnes. Yuji and co at most should heavily downscale

Naoya propelling and destroying stuff: 31 tonnes. But AFAIK this one is invalid, since is continuous feat.

Second FB blasts domain: 25 tonnes. But idk why we should scale finger bearers physicals to full power of omnidirectional blast

 

[ShionAH]

I don’t see why Ryu scales above Uraume either, he lost to Sendai Yuta who is weaker than CG Hakari who is weaker than Shinjuku Hakari that Uraume scales to lol.

I think Yuta COULD downscale to the Meteor due to Yuji’s request but I am not sure.

 

[Arkenis]

If we decide that Ryu output shouldn't scale to Uraume freezing(her CE is naturally supercooled, so she isn't actually putting energy into it), highest calc would be:

But fr, Ryu has his own GB calc we can scale people to as well.

 

[Shey]

I'm with Eldemade.

Ryu's CE Output surpasses Uraume but does that truly equate to him being more powerful than the effects of Uraume's Freezing. As Gojo says in Chapter 12, CE is the electricity but CT's are appliances, more electricity is more CT power but the power of electricity on its own does not equal to the power the effects of a CT bring out

Sukuna himself is a CG player, correct?Ryu's CE output being superior encompasses him, Sukuna's statement in Shinjuku also establishes him as the most durable too, Ryu can take his own CE output head on and not he eviscerated.
Yet Sukuna's Cleave CT Output can be tuned to cut down Ryu clean through his head, this bypasses the CE Output condition for scaling and explicitly relies on the special property of the Technique.

If CT Output=CE Output then this logic would follow that Ryu's CE output exceeds the Cleave Output which is able to oneshot him, thus Granite Blast should oneshot Ryu too, but GB doesn't oneshot him.

 

[Ozcantabak]

I don't think Ryu's output should scale above Uraume at all, Sukuna is also a CG player and Ryu does not have more ap than him.

 

[Qurbonboev]

But fr, Ryu has his own GB calc we can scale people to as well.

He technically can make his GB output higher or lower depending on how much time he put in charging it, isn't? Normal GB should scale to Ryu physically, but not necessarily long ones

 

[Arkenis]

Ryu's ct or raw output are the same so yes for him it is the same. Uraume's calc is the max output so otherwise she wouldn't have been able to do that. Regardless the freezing aspect is what makes the scaling improper it seems.

 

[Arkenis]

He technically can make his GB output higher or lower depending on how much time he put in charging it, isn't? Normal GB should scale to Ryu physically, but not necessarily long ones

Yuta tanked the one calced. And how much time was an anime only thing iirc.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Ryu's ct or raw output are the same so yes for him it is the same

I know. My idea is that GB which was charging for 3 second (he put 3 second of output into it) should obviously be stronger than the GB that was charged for 1 second (he put 1 second of output into it).

Yuta tanked the one calced. And how much time was an anime only thing iirc.

1. Yuta wouldn't scale to it, since most of the blast didn't touch him at all. Need to account for surface area and stuff.
2. No?!? Manga(chapter 180) is clear that the nore time he spends on charging, more powerful GB becames.