Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Alexander]

I won't give up

 

[DarkLock92]

I won't give up

Then make a CRT

 

[Alexander]

Then make a CRT

OK

 

[Mythic381]

Any arguments against heaven and hell being universes?

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

You could argue Universe-sized, but not spacetimes.

Or, you could argue what GoW did, and assume there's a higher-dimensional space between them, albeit I recall that it was supported by Yggdrasil being higher-dimensional or something.

 

[Alexander]

You could argue Universe-sized, but not spacetimes.

I was never going to argue for Spacetimes

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

we still on Uni Hazbin huh?
man...either before or after i make the Mega CRT (likely before), I'm gonna make a CRT arguing for Uni Heaven and Hell so that, regardless of the outcome, it sets a precedent and we can stop bringing it up

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Nothing's been happening lately on the other side. Someone create this universal CRT. I... I mean, we need some fun.

 

[DarkLock92]

we still on Uni Hazbin huh?
man...either before or after i make the Mega CRT (likely before), I'm gonna make a CRT arguing for Uni Heaven and Hell so that, regardless of the outcome, it sets a precedent and we can stop bringing it up

Alexander was about to do that

OK

Let him do it so we can put this to rest until season 3

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

you know what? Screw it.
Hellaverse Glazers, give me all your evidence for Uni hazbin. we doing this

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Alexander was about to do that

Let him do it so we can put this to rest until season 3

I just don't want it going bad because the crt was rushed. i don't like uni hazbin but if it gets rejected cuz of a rushed crt, i will feel unfulfilled.

 

[DarkLock92]

I just don't want it going bad because the crt was rushed. i don't like uni hazbin but if it gets rejected cuz of a rushed crt, i will feel unfulfilled.

Damn, no faith

you know what? Screw it.
Hellaverse Glazers, give me all your evidence for Uni hazbin. we doing this

In all seriousness it's:

• A confusing quote from Viv
• Lucifer "creating" Hell (it was an accident and clearly not from his own power)
• Lucifer calling himself "a living aspect of the infinite" (could just be hyperbole or just about his status as a Seraphim)
• Every ring has its own sky, I guess????

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Damn, no faith

I'm just a doubtful person, nothing to do with Alexander

In all seriousness, it's:

• A confusing quote from Viv
• Lucifer "creating" Hell (it was an accident and clearly not from his own power)
• Lucifer calling himself "a living aspect of the infinite" (could just be hyperbole or just about his status as a Seraphim)
• Every ring has its own sky, I guess????

There's also the angels creating the universe over an unknown ammount of time statement, ig, but damn...so a whole lotta nothing. ah, well, I'll see what i can justify.

 

[Mythic381]

Lucifer "creating" Hell (it was an accident and clearly not from his own power)

That's not evidence of it being a universe? It was created as a by-product of the first sin happening.

Lucifer calling himself "a living aspect of the infinite" (could just be hyperbole or just about his status as a Seraphim)

Also not evidence.

Every ring has its own sky, I guess????

That's just Multi-Solar System.

 

[DarkLock92]

Honestly, if you asked me to push for Universal Hazbin, I'd say wait for season 3. The story is supposedly centered around the Morningstars, and I'm sure we're gonna get more lore about the creation of Hell.

And who knows, we might get some good feats out of it. It's not like we expected season 2 to give us actual planetary scaling.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

In all seriousness it's:

• A confusing quote from Viv
• Lucifer "creating" Hell (it was an accident and clearly not from his own power)
• Lucifer calling himself "a living aspect of the infinite" (could just be hyperbole or just about his status as a Seraphim)
• Every ring has its own sky, I guess????

Charlie's VA saying Heaven is bigger than Hell too, the most reputable source.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I don't trust voice actors.

I think they are spies for the Turkish government.

 

[DarkLock92]

That's not evidence of it being a universe? It was created as a by-product of the first sin happening.

Also not evidence.

That's just Multi-Solar System.

I know I acknowledged that in between the parentheses.
The fact that I'm grasping at straws to justify it just proves my point

 

[Alexander]

I don't trust voice actors.

I think they are spies for the Turkish government.

How could i know you aren't a spy from Greenland?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

How could i know you aren't a spy from Greenland?

This place doesn't really exist.

It's called Green + land, but all you see there is snow.

Where's the green?

 

[DarkLock92]

This place doesn't really exist.

It's called Green + land, but all you see there is snow.

Where's the green?

In Iceland

 

[Alexander]

This place doesn't really exist.

It's called Green + land, but all you see there is snow.

Where's the green?

IN YOUR BRAIN, YOUR BRAIN IS A VEGAN BRAIN (Scott Pilgrim)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Charlie's VA saying Heaven is bigger than Hell too, the most reputable source.

using VAs for Uni Hazbin Justification...
(i know this was a joke)

 

[DarkLock92]

There's so little evidence that it doesn't even matter if the CRT is rushed or not, imo

 

[Phsccarvalho]

In Iceland

This crap makes no sense.

I'm sure some cartographer mixed up the names of the two things and nobody noticed.

 

[Alexander]

There's so little evidence that it doesn't even matter if the CRT is rushed or not, imo

And the arguments against it aren't that great either

 

[DarkLock92]

And the arguments against it aren't that great either

Well the burden of proof is kinda on you...

 

[Alexander]

Well the burden of proof is kinda on you...

Then why are they insisting on the "they are planets" with no info on that?

 

[DarkLock92]

Then why are they insisting on the "they are planets" with no info on that?

Occam's razor. Heaven looks like a planet and acts like a planet (objects can travel from it to Hell physically). It's the most simple and straightforward conclusion from just watching the show.

 

[Alexander]

Occam's razor. Heaven looks like a planet and acts like a planet (objects can travel from it to Hell physically). It's the most simple and straightforward conclusion from just watching the show.

That's just two similarities, but it has a ******* sun inside of itself.

 

[Mythic381]

Hellaverse Glazers, give me all your evidence for Uni hazbin. we doing this

I just don't want it going bad because the crt was rushed. i don't like uni hazbin but if it gets rejected cuz of a rushed crt, i will feel unfulfilled.

The argument doesn't really come from much.

Main Arguments:

• First argument comes from this article, where it mentions some stuff:

"It's just because there's a lot of magic and a lot of fantasy in the two universes," Medrano says. "In Hell, they have what essentially acts as a moon or a sun, which is the orb with the pentagram symbol. And then Heaven is its own realm, and that's also in the distance. So we can see the two of them reflected a lot."

Mention of them being universes, and Heaven being it's own realm.

Medrano says Heaven and Hell are essentially "like two different planets in a lot of ways — that's kind of how we treat them." That means Heaven is physically accessible from Hell, not just via portals, but by traversing physical space. That's becoming an increasingly important plot point as demon overlord Vox whips Hell into a frenzy against Heaven: The two realms are close enough for actions in one to physically reach the other.

It's followed up by Vivziepop mentioning that they're "like two planets" which seems to me like it's an indicator that she doesn't think they're planets, but rather that they function like planet, in the aspect that you can travel between them via physical means, which is proven by the obvious Might of Lilith going from Hell to Heaven, and Heaven's gate falling into Hell.

• Second argument comes from here.

Evil finally found it's way into earth. With it, a new realm of darkness and sin

Mention of realm and it being created seemingly out of nowhere.

Supporting Evidence:

• Paimon describes the world as "Mortal Realm" indicating that they're separate realms.
• Stolas describes it as the "Mortal World."
• Paimon mentions that by giving Stolas the grimoire, he'll be learning about Earth's skies, indicating it's separate from Hell's normal space that we see.

Counter Arguments:

But Heaven and Hell are described, function and look like planets!

• They're specifically described to be like planets, which wouldn't be needed if they were straight up planets.

Medrano says Heaven and Hell are essentially "like two different planets in a lot of ways — that's kind of how we treat them." That means Heaven is physically accessible from Hell, not just via portals, but by traversing physical space. That's becoming an increasingly important plot point as demon overlord Vox whips Hell into a frenzy against Heaven: The two realms are close enough for actions in one to physically reach the other.

• It's mentioned that Vivziepop and her team were looking for "cosmic representations" when designing Heaven. Which led to Heaven-sphere.

She says the Hellaverse — the shared setting for her sister shows Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss — already had a Hell-moon, which had established story significance in Helluva Boss. When she and her animation team were looking for "cosmic representations" of the two realms in a season focused on the coming war between them, they felt it made sense to draw on the existing design for Hell's moon.

 

[Mythic381]

This is the only stuff I could gather off the top of my head. Could be missing stuff (mostly counter-arguments), but I wasn't planning on making a CRT anyways, as I had abandoned the idea a long time ago.

 

[DarkLock92]

That's just two similarities, but it has a ******* sun inside of itself.

Where? Only thing I remember are Emily's rainbow (She can manipulate light, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was her who made it)

 

[Alexander]

Where? Only thing I remember are Emily's rainbow (She can manipulate light, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was her who made it)

It is unlikely that she was the who made it considering that there is a moon that appears when Pentious is singing.

 

[Mythic381]

By the way, what current Hellaverse threads haven't concluded yet that we are waiting for?

 

[DarkLock92]

It is unlikely that she was the who made it considering that there is a moon that appears when Pentious is singing.

Bruh, that's just the pillars

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The argument doesn't really come from much.

Main Arguments:

• First argument comes from this article, where it mentions some stuff:

Mention of them being universes, and Heaven being it's own realm.

It's followed up by Vivziepop mentioning that they're "like two planets" which seems to me like it's an indicator that she doesn't think they're planets, but rather that they function like planet, in the aspect that you can travel between them via physical means, which is proven by the obvious Might of Lilith going from Hell to Heaven, and Heaven's gate falling into Hell.

• Second argument comes from here.

Mention of realm and it being created seemingly out of nowhere.

Supporting Evidence:

• Paimon describes the world as "Mortal Realm" indicating that they're separate realms.
• Stolas describes it as the "Mortal World."
• Paimon mentions that by giving Stolas the grimoire, he'll be learning about Earth's skies, indicating it's separate from Hell's normal space that we see.

Counter Arguments:

• They're specifically described to be like planets, which wouldn't be needed if they were straight up planets.

• It's mentioned that Vivziepop and her team were looking for "cosmic representations" when designing Heaven. Which led to Heaven-sphere.

interesting. well, I'll see what i can do.
Sick of this being brought of every 3 weeks, hope y'all will get it out of your systems once the crt comes out (there's...not much to go off so it should be done in a day or two)

 

[DarkLock92]

By the way, what current Hellaverse threads haven't concluded yet that we are waiting for?

A lot of them are getting absorbed into the Mega CRT if I recall

 

[Mythic381]

A lot of them are getting absorbed into the Mega CRT if I recall

So what is exactly the thing halting it's release?

 

[Alexander]

Bruh, that's just the pillars

At least we know it is something like that big sphere on Heaven

 

[DarkLock92]

So what is exactly the thing halting it's release?

Evaluation of some calcs