Updating More DC characters to 2A

[Bimgus8010]

I just wanna change the tiers for the outdated pages and get over with the 2A upgrade that I can't do cause certain staffs trick me and revert my edits



I just wanna change the outdated scalings to 2A (you can look at the pages, king shark and the others have chainscale to supes and other 2As)




this low 2C should be 2C cuz universeS plural feat or 2A if you guys think every new god is 2A

This would affect Kyle, wonder woman, blue beetle and kalibaks low 2C key to be changed to 2C or 2A cuz it involves new gods and universes feat

Post flashpoint Zatana last listed link in her ap should be universe level+ key


not solar system level

Firestorm 3A key should be changed to low 2C, since they produce the big bang (this should be his first key)

There's probably more so let me know what outdated scaling there are in DC that should be updated

Edit :

Post crisis Zod should be upgraded to 2A, he used to be solar system level but he is consistently comparable to superman so.....2A

2nd Edit : if people are asking for scans, look at their pages, stuff already accepted


Cheetah trading blows with wonder woman and flash


King shark hurting superman


https://imgur.com/a/5rqv4qR
Zatanna defeating despero

They just need to change tiers cuz of outdated and poor management for the pages

@Antvasima
@Elizio33
@Emirp sumitpo

Help me complete what should have been completed 1 month ago pls

 

[Rgerdeena]

Zattana’s feat is just universe level(should be high universe level but the wiki acts like dc universes aren’t infinite for some reason), unless you can prove that her statement was referring to space time, the low 2-Cs are because multiple new gods making multiple universes could mean one universe per new god, other then that this is all good

 

[Antvasima]

@Emirp sumitpo @Elizio33 @LordTracer @Qawsedf234

What should we do here?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Firestorm 3A key should be changed to low 2C, since they produce the big bang (this should be his first key)

Big bangs are generally treated as just 3-A unless further context is given.

this low 2C should be 2C cuz universeS plural feat or 2A if you guys think every new god is 2A

This would affect Kyle, wonder woman, blue beetle and kalibaks low 2C key to be changed to 2C or 2A cuz it involves new gods and universes feat

The problem here is that we don't know whether they can create multiple universes at once or just one at a time, thus it's rated only Low 2-C at the very least.

Post flashpoint Zatana last listed link in her ap should be universe level+ key

Only the possibly higher should be Low 2-C, given her 4-B key is still scaling to New 52 characters.

 

[Antvasima]

Emirp, can you check through our DC Comics pages to see which ones that should be upgraded please? You can use a DPL script to help you find them if you wish.

Antvasima/DPL

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[Bimgus8010]

Big bangs are generally treated as just 3-A unless further context is given.


The problem here is that we don't know whether they can create multiple universes at once or just one at a time, thus it's rated only Low 2-C at the very least.


Only the possibly higher should be Low 2-C, given her 4-B key is still scaling to New 52 characters.

They produce big bangs, which should include the 4D aspect/time in them



Destroying everything in the process except the firestorms which would survive

The 3A is usually for tanking big bangs

The thing is, the low 2C who scales to universe creating feat are scaled towards New GodS (plural)

If Kyle and the other low 2Cs scale to many new gods, the low 2c key should still be 2C cuz even scaling to 2 random new gods would scale to 2 universes

I agree with your take on Zatana

I add in the fact that I wanna upgrade post crisis zod to 2A too

He used to be solar system level but he should be 2A

 

[Antvasima]

Should any of these edits be reverted?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bimgus8010

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Only the possibly higher should be Low 2-C, given her 4-B key is still scaling to New 52 characters.

We legit had a Rebirth thread about making Rebirth keys. So Low 2-C can be added without this

 

[Bimgus8010]

Zattana’s feat is just universe level(should be high universe level but the wiki acts like dc universes aren’t infinite for some reason), unless you can prove that her statement was referring to space time, the low 2-Cs are because multiple new gods making multiple universes could mean one universe per new god, other then that this is all good

The low 2C are referring to new godS (plural)

If rookie Kyle is comparable to even 2 new gods, that means 2 universes which would mean 2C tier

 

[Rgerdeena]

The low 2C are referring to new godS (plural)

If rookie Kyle is comparable to even 2 new gods, that means 2 universes which would mean 2C tier

Eh, not sure if that’s how we treat it because of the minor 5-D axis and whatnot, but dimensionality ain’t my specialty so someone else can judge that

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The low 2C are referring to new godS (plural)

If rookie Kyle is comparable to even 2 new gods, that means 2 universes which would mean 2C tier

Uh, that's not how it works, you don't do multipliers for Tier 2. He'd just be unquantifiably above Low 2-C.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Uh, that's not how it works, you don't do multipliers for Tier 2. He'd just be unquantifiably above Low 2-C.

I'm not suggesting multipliers

Since 1 new god can create their own universe

Being comparable to many random new gods would scale you to the universes that they can create

These universes/structures aren't mashed up with each other

They are separated

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There are admittedly plenty of pages with dated statistics ratings. The solid 4-B ratings from New 52 cast originally came from downscaling from Post-Crisis cast back when some of the Post-Crisis cast used to be 4-B. But we now have variable tiers for much of the cast with 2-A more or less being the "At their peaks" note. But Emirp has listed other notes that are correct thus far.

 

[Bimgus8010]

There are admittedly plenty of pages with dated statistics ratings. The solid 4-B ratings from New 52 cast originally came from downscaling from Post-Crisis cast back when some of the Post-Crisis cast used to be 4-B. But we now have variable tiers for much of the cast with 2-A more or less being the "At their peaks" note. But Emirp has listed other notes that are correct thus far.

Some post flashpoint pages have new 52 and rebirth keys mashed into each other

I'm not even tryna change new 52 stuff

I know that there are plenty of dated scalings for certain characters pages

But DC supporters on the general DC comics Discussion thread have agreed with me that some are outdated asf

 

[Antvasima]

So which DC Comics pages need to be updated to 2-A or otherwise, and which ones have been given 2-A inaccurately? You are allowed to use a DPL (Dynamic Page List) script to help you find them, if you wish.

 

[Bimgus8010]

So which DC Comics pages need to be updated to 2-A or otherwise, and which ones have been given 2-A inaccurately? You are allowed to use a DPL (Dynamic Page List) script to help you find them, if you wish.

Most New 52 pages/keys are the only ones that should not be given 2A

There's some outdated 5A pages for a lot of dc characters that I changed

5A changed to 2A king shark
5A changed to 2A cheetah post crisis
5A changed to 2A for post crisis zatanna
4B changed to 2A for post crisis zod cuz he consistently scales to superman

They scale and have fought 2As in their already accepted feats, so what my edits did was valid

There's probably some other DC characters that I missed out on so you guys should let me know

I just want this to get over with and complete the 2A upgrades once and for all

 

[Antvasima]

Isn't 2-A too inconsistent for the generally severely depowered post-Crisis era?

 

[Bimgus8010]

Isn't 2-A too inconsistent for the generally severely depowered post-Crisis era?

We are not having this discussion again brochacho

You agreed with elizio's conclusions on my thread


Stop being weird vro

Even other staff have gone out of their way to tell you that you are wrong

 

[Rgerdeena]

Isn't 2-A too inconsistent for the generally severely depowered post-Crisis era?

New 52’s the one that’s severely depowered not post crisis, and the feat and scaling is already accepted all of this is just about making it more accurate based on what’s accepted not fixing what’s accepted

 

[Antvasima]

I am just bringing up a fair point. I may have made a mistake earlier.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

New 52 era has been pretty consistent on the cast being weaker than Post-Crisis counterparts, though Rebirth is different at being stronger than Post-Crisis iirc. More over, 2-A tiers have "At their peaks" being the key phrase. Meaning we shouldn't exactly downscale absolutely everyone from the 2-A stuff. I do at the very least remember 5-A stuff being consistent for the New 52 era though.

 

[Bimgus8010]

New 52 era has been pretty consistent on the cast being weaker than Post-Crisis counterparts, though Rebirth is different at being stronger than Post-Crisis iirc. More over, 2-A tiers have "At their peaks" being the key phrase. Meaning we shouldn't exactly downscale absolutely everyone from the 2-A stuff. I do at the very least remember 5-A stuff being consistent for the New 52 era though.

5A tiers were given to post crisis characters including zatanna who has feats of beating 2A despero and fighting post crisis shazam

new 52 Characters which are weaker than post crisis were given 4B tiers for everyone

Outdated ahh pages

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

5A tiers were given to post crisis characters including zatanna who has feats of beating 2A despero and fighting post crisis shazam

new 52 Characters which are weaker than post crisis were given 4B tiers for everyone

Outdated ahh pages

You need to collect proper scans and references first, not just change the tiers and that's it.

 

[Hecky2222]

I can barely read thread and understand OP's points but @Emirp sumitpo correct. We need proper references and scans before giving everyone 2-A chainscaling list and you can't multiply Low 2-C to 2-C

 

[MaskedDragon908]

So which DC Comics pages need to be updated to 2-A or otherwise, and which ones have been given 2-A inaccurately? You are allowed to use a DPL (Dynamic Page List) script to help you find them, if you wish.

All of the 2-Cs essentially since they all backscale from Rebirth Superman.

Could you unlock this? This should be the last one. You can close all the previously locked pages.

According to Emirp sumitpo, all the 2-C characters were successfully updated to 2-A.
The only pages currently in contention are

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cheetah_(Barbara_Minerva)_(Post-Crisis)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/King_Shark_(Post-Crisis)

General Zod (Post-Crisis)

Genaral Zod is a former Kryptonian military general who was exiled to the Phantom Zone for treason. Following Krypton's destruction Zod and fellow exiled Kryptonian Ursa along with their son, Lor-Zod, escaped the Phantom Zone and launched an attack on the Earth city Metropolis in search of...

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since they were not 2-C

5A tiers were given to post crisis characters including zatanna who has feats of beating 2A despero and fighting post crisis shazam

As Masked said before, the scans you presented (here and here) do not show her harming Despero.
She instead casts a spell, which is just hax, not AP.
If she did fight Shazam, that would be a more compelling reason for scaling.

 

[Hecky2222]

As Masked said before, the scans you presented (here and here) do not show her harming Despero.
She instead casts a spell, which is just hax, not AP.
If she did fight Shazam, that would be a more compelling reason for scaling.

Obviously physically she is human level, but can't we add something like 2-A with powers? Like other profiles have

 

[MaskedDragon908]

Obviously physically she is human level, but can't we add something like 2-A with powers? Like other profiles have

If she physically restrained him, then yes.
However, her spell just seems to put him in stasis, so Masked is hesitant to grant her 2-A AP.

If her magic can harm Shazam, then 2-A with powers would be fine.
However, Bimgus8010 has not provided the scans for this or made a CRT for it.

 

[Firestorm808]

None of the feats referenced in the OP are 2-A.

 

[Bimgus8010]

If she physically restrained him, then yes.
However, her spell just seems to put him in stasis, so Masked is hesitant to grant her 2-A AP.

If her magic can harm Shazam, then 2-A with powers would be fine.
However, Bimgus8010 has not provided the scans for this or made a CRT for it.

The scans for the shazam 1 is already accepted and listed in her durability page

Her defeating lobo and blocking Mary Marvel attacks are also already listed and accepted in her pages

 

[Bimgus8010]

You need to collect proper scans and references first, not just change the tiers and that's it.

Proper scans?

You mean the ones already listed and accepted in their pages which should be 2A?

Images in 's post

vk.com

 

[Bimgus8010]

None of the feats referenced in the OP are 2-A.

Your like 1 month too late to complain about something that's already accepted and listed

Actually the 2A feats were already accepted years ago but I made a thread to simply change their tiers cuz of it's poor inaccuracy of 2C tier

 

[Bimgus8010]

I can barely read thread and understand OP's points but @Emirp sumitpo correct. We need proper references and scans before giving everyone 2-A chainscaling list and you can't multiply Low 2-C to 2-C

Hecky, it's in their pages

Stuff's already accepted lol

 

[Hecky2222]

Hecky, it's in their pages

Stuff's already accepted lol

Ppl here barely understands your points. Which characters you want to upscale to 2-A and list page names(not imgur files), Maybe i can help via communication

 

[Bimgus8010]

Ppl here barely understands your points. Which characters you want to upscale to 2-A and list page names(not imgur files), Maybe i can help via communication

Omg, hecky. Your such a pookie

Anyway, here are the pages that should be upgraded to 2A

General Zod (Post-Crisis)

Genaral Zod is a former Kryptonian military general who was exiled to the Phantom Zone for treason. Following Krypton's destruction Zod and fellow exiled Kryptonian Ursa along with their son, Lor-Zod, escaped the Phantom Zone and launched an attack on the Earth city Metropolis in search of...

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Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Zatanna is a superhero and one of the greatest magic-users in the DC Universe. Daughter of the great magician Giovanni “John” Zatara and Sindella, a member of the mystical Homo Magi race. Zatanna is a direct descendant of the artist and magician Leonardo da Vinci, and is related to Nostradamus...

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cheetah_(Barbara_Minerva)_(Post-Crisis)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/King_Shark_(Post-Crisis)

There's probably more but idk every DC character's names

 

[Hecky2222]

Omg, hecky. Your such a pookie

Anyway, here are the pages that should be upgraded to 2A

General Zod (Post-Crisis)

Genaral Zod is a former Kryptonian military general who was exiled to the Phantom Zone for treason. Following Krypton's destruction Zod and fellow exiled Kryptonian Ursa along with their son, Lor-Zod, escaped the Phantom Zone and launched an attack on the Earth city Metropolis in search of...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Zatanna is a superhero and one of the greatest magic-users in the DC Universe. Daughter of the great magician Giovanni “John” Zatara and Sindella, a member of the mystical Homo Magi race. Zatanna is a direct descendant of the artist and magician Leonardo da Vinci, and is related to Nostradamus...

vsbattles.fandom.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cheetah_(Barbara_Minerva)_(Post-Crisis)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/King_Shark_(Post-Crisis)

There's probably more but idk every DC character's names

All of them except Zatanna are 2-A?? What are you saying then?

For Zatanna we need feats that her magic harms heralds as one user pointed out already

 

[Antvasima]

New 52 era has been pretty consistent on the cast being weaker than Post-Crisis counterparts, though Rebirth is different at being stronger than Post-Crisis iirc. More over, 2-A tiers have "At their peaks" being the key phrase. Meaning we shouldn't exactly downscale absolutely everyone from the 2-A stuff. I do at the very least remember 5-A stuff being consistent for the New 52 era though.

Yes. That is also my concern. I don't mind if the strongest characters that can fight Time Trapper on even footing (if there are any) are placed that high, but scaling almost absolutely everybody to 2-A doesn't make any sense, especially in the post-Crisis era, which came long before the post-Rebirth era.

 

[Antvasima]

None of the feats referenced in the OP are 2-A.

Yes. Would somebody be willing to evaluate which of all of these revisions that likely need to be reverted, please?

 

[Bimgus8010]

Yes. Would somebody be willing to evaluate which of all of these revisions that likely need to be reverted, please?

Literally you btw on my 2A thread, agreeing with the person who agreed with 2A

Stop being weird

 

[Hecky2222]

Yes. Would somebody be willing to evaluate which of all of these revisions that likely need to be reverted, please?

@Emirp sumitpo is one who made chainscaling. We can ask him should all heralds scale to Time Trapper or only few(Like Superman, Kyle, Barbatos).

It is better to list who scales to what feat so we won't have problems like this in future

 

[Bimgus8010]

All of them except Zatanna are 2-A?? What are you saying then?

For Zatanna we need feats that her magic harms heralds as one user pointed out already

Masked said he wanted to revert them to 5A for some reason