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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

OmenISTIRED said:
Whole lotta nothing, I want to just remove cause Environmental Destruction means nothing for anyone.
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hey man, stolas might gotta got against a weather manipulater or a litteral storm in a matchup.
Besidea, We're powerscalers. We gotta not abilities even if they mean nothing in a fight
OmenISTIRED said:
Also out of curiosity what's the current Scaling change angel to be expected from Anonymous_Learners big mega Crt?
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AP: At least Athletic Human, likely Baseline Street Level Base Charlie (her performance against Katie Killjoy since she has nothing else and i believe it should be impressive enough to note), Small Building for I.M.P level characters, Higher Small Building for Stella's Brother's magic (And At least stolas' magic...i think), Baseline building level (0.25 tons) for most of the names Hazbin Hotel cast since pentious faced tanked a cherri bomb...bomb explosion and Val did the same (the latter only getting blinded cuz his eyes canonically suck), Building Level+ for Octavia's Magic (I wanna say stolas scales to her but i haven't gone through a whole watch of Helluva yet so no vibe scaling), and Large Building Angel Pentious durability (Angel Pentious has a whole new physiology as a winner and no scaling chain, we can't leech off him to upscale). If I'm feeling funny, I'll downgrade Weakened Demon Alastor and 100% Vox to building level but, after some debate with Orange in discord, I'm not too sure.
Adam gets downgraded to FP!Alastor's magic tier (though, he'll upscale since he is superior both via showings and statements) with Lucifer upscaling of the both of this with Adam able to go higher with Holy light (while it may seem to be weird that Adam's technically higher than lucifer with his beams due to beating him down so badly the moment he tries, note that Lucifer avoids them like the plague and never once palmed strikes them away and him beating down adam in his demon form doesn't matter as, with the UES Standards, Adam doesn't scale to the beams, therefore Lucifer gets no HL upscaling. Not that it matters since Lucifer can't die to Angelic Weapon type stuff and especially with the next point) and Lucifer and M.O.L. having Tier 5 beams (see? it didn't even matrer that Adam's beams scales higher than Lucifer's physical A.P. as, if they ever beam clashed, Lucifer would easily win)
Speed: Subsonic+ for 98% of the verse with profiles, Subsonic travel speed for Niffty and Base Alastor(He's the strongest sinner consistently, it's a given), likely subsonic travel speed with at most Supersonic combat speed and reactions for enraged transformed charlie (intercepted Adam's Flight speed, which be comparable though inferior to Lucifer's), Supersonic+ travel speed, combat speed, and reactions for Weakened Demon Form Alastor, 100% Vox, FP!Alastor, Adam, and lucifer (most of his HL dodges can be attributed to aim dodging) from Shok.Wav, higher for Adam's HL beams and likely Lucifer, FTL for Lucifer's beams and M.O.L. attack speed.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Adam gets downgraded to FP!Alastor's magic tier (though, he'll upscale since he is superior both via showings and statements)
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Not even that. The gap between their calcs (1.03 Kilotons for airship explosion and 2.51 Kilotons for cliff split) is of x2.44. The gap is more than enough for Alastor to still inflict pain to Adam while being weaker, especially when some verses treat a x2 as enough to one shot already.

Edit: If you remove the vaporization from the obliteration of Sir Pentious' ship, you'd get the feat at <570 Tons, which would make Alastor consistently on the same level of Adam given that Pentious got completely annihilated from a casual feat that is still beneath Alastor's power, and will add the implication that Adam was still using a considerable amount of power against Alastor :3
 
StrymULTRA said:
Not even that. The gap between their calcs (1.03 Kilotons for airship explosion and 2.51 Kilotons for cliff split) is of x2.44. The gap is more than enough for Alastor to still inflict pain to Adam while being weaker, especially when some verses treat a x2 as enough to one shot already.

Edit: If you remove the vaporization from the obliteration of Sir Pentious' ship, you'd get the feat at <570 Tons, which would make Alastor consistently on the same level of Adam given that Pentious got completely annihilated from a casual feat that is still beneath Alastor's power, and will add the implication that Adam was still using a considerable amount of power against Alastor :3
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StrymUltra is goated squared????
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
StrymUltra is goated squared????
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You realized that just now?
Anonymous_Learner said:
higher for Adam's HL beams and likely Lucifer, FTL for Lucifer's beams and M.O.L. attack speed.
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Isn't this redundant if Lu's attack speed is already higher than Adam's?

Unless you mean that his full combat speed should be upscaling from Adam's beams, but I think this should be solid given he did have showings of him downright dodging these point-blank (here and here).
 
StrymULTRA said:
You realized that just now?
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I've always thought you were goated, didn't realize how much
StrymULTRA said:
Isn't this redundant if Lu's attack speed is already higher than Adam's?

Unless you mean that his full combat speed should be upscaling from Adam's beams, but I think this should be solid given he did have showings of him downright dodging these point-blank (here and here).
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meant full combat speed.
2nd example, if you slow the footage down, you'll see that Lucifer's out the way before Adam even fires. I remember looking at the fight to see it just in case
I've got nothing for the first one and Lucifer was 100% playing around so i don't mind him upscaling the beams attack speed
 
i meant the second link when Adam grts enraged and fires a beam, you can see hin move out the way before the beam fires and is basically already under adam by the time the beam comes out.
bit, those examples shown now are pretty damning. Supersonic+ (from the adam beam calc) Lucifer shall be in the Crt
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
bit, those examples shown now are pretty damning. Supersonic+ (from the adam beam calc) Lucifer shall be in the Crt
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You can argue Lucifer just upscaling to Hypersonic tbf. The gap between Adam's beam (3.98 Mach) and baseline Hypersonic (5 Mach) is x1.26, and if you take in account how Adam was super casual during the Supersonic+ feat, the gap would be even lower, and Lucifer easily upscales from that.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
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AP: At least Athletic Human, likely Baseline Street Level Base Charlie (her performance against Katie Killjoy since she has nothing else and i believe it should be impressive enough to note)
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Shouldn't Charlie and Katie at least scaling for Pentious's Wall-level feat? Even though he's a tank, he's still physically weak.

And shouldn't Octavia have Class M lifting strength with magic, since she pushed the dragon away before pulverizing it?
 
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StrymULTRA said:
You can argue Lucifer just upscaling to Hypersonic tbf. The gap between Adam's beam (3.98 Mach) and baseline Hypersonic (5 Mach) is x1.26, and if you take in account how Adam was super casual during the Supersonic+ feat, the gap would be even lower, and Lucifer easily upscales from that.
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fair enough, Lucifer shall be the fastest character in the verse (as it ought to be)
OiEuSouDuvi said:
Shouldn't Charlie and Katie at least scaling for Pentious's Wall-level feat? Even though he's a tank, he's still physically weak.
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I'll put as a possibility since they have zero scaling chain to each other
OiEuSouDuvi said:
And shouldn't Octavia have Class M lifting strength with magic, since she pushed the dragon away before pulverizing it?
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i didn't bring up LS in my message but yes, she would
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Why do we even think that Lucifer was trying to kill him with those punches
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He is in his demon form which is when you are in intense anger and when you are going basically feral, this also amps your power by a lot. How can you say he was not going full power with those punches especially when he was burning each fist with fire and was gonna try to do even more to him with more magic before Charlie stopped him?? What the **** does Lucifer need to do to look serious lmao??
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
which presumably is an amp that puts her on her father's level, or at least close to it
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Just... complete headcanon. All we know from the True Form Charlie is that she's stronger than weakened Adam
 
ShionAH said:
He is in his demon form which is when you are in intense anger, fight or flight mode. How can you say he was not going full power with those punches especially when he was burning each fist with fire and was gonna try to do even more to him with more magic before Charlie stopped him.
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No way Krillin is on the level of a Super Saiyan Blue!
 
ShionAH said:
He is in his demon form which is when you are in intense anger and when you are going basically feral, this also amps your power by a lot. How can you say he was not going full power with those punches especially when he was burning each fist with fire and was gonna try to do even more to him with more magic before Charlie stopped him?? What the **** does Lucifer need to do to look serious lmao??
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Goku using one of his strongest techniques in his strongest form against Krillin
 
StrymULTRA said:
Not even that. The gap between their calcs (1.03 Kilotons for airship explosion and 2.51 Kilotons for cliff split) is of x2.44. The gap is more than enough for Alastor to still inflict pain to Adam while being weaker, especially when some verses treat a x2 as enough to one shot already.

Edit: If you remove the vaporization from the obliteration of Sir Pentious' ship, you'd get the feat at <570 Tons, which would make Alastor consistently on the same level of Adam given that Pentious got completely annihilated from a casual feat that is still beneath Alastor's power, and will add the implication that Adam was still using a considerable amount of power against Alastor :3
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hold on, after sleeping on it, I'm a bit confused by message.
are you saying that Adam physically scales to his beams? that wouldn't be the case in the crt due to the UES stuff. Only Adam's beams will be 2.51 Kilotons and Adam will just upscale off alastor due to withstanding numerous attacks that do minor damage and rosie saying Alastor stokd no chance.
i did just wake up so if I'm saying something wrong, that's why but please correct me anyway
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
hold on, after sleeping on it, I'm a bit confused by message.
are you saying that Adam physically scales to his beams? that wouldn't be the case in the crt due to the UES stuff. Only Adam's beams will be 2.51 Kilotons and Adam will just upscale off alastor due to withstanding numerous attacks that do minor damage and rosie saying Alastor stokd no chance.
i did just wake up so if I'm saying something wrong, that's why but please correct me anyway
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There is no real reason why he shouldn't scale, Angels are made of holy light, the same thing they shoot out.

Those beams are made of their equivalent of flesh, unless people now get "10-C, 10-A with punch" or something lol.
 
StrymULTRA said:
There is no real reason why he shouldn't scale, Angels are made of holy light, the same thing they shoot out.

Those beams are made of their equivalent of flesh, unless people now get "10-C, 10-A with punch" or something lol.
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You know, I just realized that if we're downgrading Lucy, we should probably get his fire from Vox Populi calced to see what that adds to his AP and whatnot.
 
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