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Hisoka fights another old man but he isn't a butler this time | Hisoka morrow vs Duke Erasia | [0-0-0]

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Alright, I've laid off the deepwoken matches for a while now and this match just came to me (plus it seemed kinda fun)

  • Speed equalized
  • Fight takes place in first layer
  • Both start 10 meters away from each other


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Sailor Hisoka:

dukeerisia-3l30

Duke "I already know ur backstory" erasia:


Incon:
 
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Technically it is, that's why it says enhanced. Though he needs to activate it so if he doesn't he'll just fight.
 
Technically it is, that's why it says enhanced. Though he needs to activate it so if he doesn't he'll just fight.
Enhanced doesn't typically mean it has a layer, which is why I was kinda hoping it wasn't layered...

That said, if it isn't something just tied to the amount of ren he uses normally, then the match can still happen (hopefully anyway)
 
his fear hax isn't layered. in fact, he's the first layer in the chain scale
 
Really? I may look for some other matchups for him and the rest of the cast with that info
long term exposure would kill someone, but people much weaker than Hisoka could resist it with basic Ten mastery (which is basically a barrier than can ward off negative emotions and mental attacks like that), so it's only useful against someone with absolutely no fear resistance or mental shield whatsoever. and it can paralyze people too, but that part can get countered by willpower, which we see with the Nen-less Chimera Ants who survived so long against actual skilled Hunters. so yeah, temporary stun is gonna be the worst of it, for the most part.

this only applies to Hisoka and characters on or below his level. the royal family, adult Gon, and Netero are a different story altogether. because at that point their Ren can do some crazy shit.
 
long term exposure would kill someone, but people much weaker than Hisoka could resist it with basic Ten mastery (which is basically a barrier than can ward off negative emotions and mental attacks like that), so it's only useful against someone with absolutely no fear resistance or mental shield whatsoever.
So basically find a guy with a resistance to fear hax and ur straight
and it can paralyze people too, but that part can get countered by willpower,
Interesting
which we see with the Nen-less Chimera Ants who survived so long against actual skilled Hunters. so yeah, temporary stun is gonna be the worst of it, for the most part.
Noted
this only applies to Hisoka and characters on or below his level. the royal family, adult Gon, and Netero are a different story altogether. because at that point their Ren can do some crazy shit.
Considering what happened in the chimera ant arc I'm not surprised

That said, doesn't this mean bloodlusted gon (as in chemeria ant arc base gon) falls under this category? (As in having basic fear hax with no layers)
 
That said, doesn't this mean bloodlusted gon (as in chemeria ant arc base gon) falls under this category? (As in having basic fear hax with no layers)
i don't know actually. he did spook Pitou and Killua, but Pitou was noted to be in a defenseless state with a very thin layer of Ten. you could maybe argue that's 1 layer over someone like Hisoka, since base Pitou was spooking and pretty much no-low diffing people on his level, but it still wouldn't be a layer on top of Pitou's combat-ready aura.
 
what are duke's win conditions?
prob the LS and AP gap (please is he baseline or what) as well as his barrier at first phase is actually pretty durable. he has a homing attack that will endlessly follow him and a teleporting punch.
 
First, Hisoka tremendously outsmarts and outskills, and this is very dangerous because he can overcome with ease things that could be deadly for him, for example when Chrollo created a whole ass plan just to kill him (no spoilers here, this is one of the best fights in manga historyyyy) or when Castro who previously could beat him didn't keep the evolution pace... speaking of which:

Second thing is that Duke has no counter to Acc. Develop., which can be one of the most busted abilities around here and is one of his main things, as a busted Nen user should be.

I really think that Duke has no proper response for how busted Hisoka can be outside of stats talking
 
First, Hisoka tremendously outsmarts and outskills, and this is very dangerous because he can overcome with ease things that could be deadly for him, for example when Chrollo created a whole ass plan just to kill him (no spoilers here, this is one of the best fights in manga historyyyy) or when Castro who previously could beat him didn't keep the evolution pace... speaking of which:

Second thing is that Duke has no counter to Acc. Develop., which can be one of the most busted abilities around here and is one of his main things, as a busted Nen user should be.

I really think that Duke has no proper response for how busted Hisoka can be outside of stats talking
honestly besides stat sticking Hisoka, Duke is pretty much cooked. Sounds like a real mismatch now.
 
higher LS counters most of bungee gum's tricks, which is what Hisoka's fighting style is built around, and this guy has the power to one-shot Hisoka if he's not using Ko to amp himself.

bungee gum would mostly be useless as a win condition and can only be used for mobility or healing in this scenario. his resurrection takes time so i wouldn't bet on post-mortem Nen closing the stat gap. also worth noting that the resurrection works by pump starting his heart, and it's only effective if his vital organs are in tact and can work.

so Hisoka's only win condition is landing multiple nen-amped blows on vital spots without getting hit himself. without background knowledge, he wouldn't know that he needs to amp his body with Ko to survive a direct hit and he wouldn't know that bungee gum would be useless due to the LS difference.

honestly, it's not looking good for Hisoka
 
higher LS counters most of bungee gum's tricks, which is what Hisoka's fighting style is built around, and this guy has the power to one-shot Hisoka if he's not using Ko to amp himself.

bungee gum would mostly be useless as a win condition and can only be used for mobility or healing in this scenario. his resurrection takes time so i wouldn't bet on post-mortem Nen closing the stat gap. also worth noting that the resurrection works by pump starting his heart, and it's only effective if his vital organs are in tact and can work.

so Hisoka's only win condition is landing multiple nen-amped blows on vital spots without getting hit himself. without background knowledge, he wouldn't know that he needs to amp his body with Ko to survive a direct hit and he wouldn't know that bungee gum would be useless due to the LS difference.

honestly, it's not looking good for Hisoka
As there are many ways to use bungee gum, Hisoka can acertain with ease that the guy is not being affected by its glue

also

First, Hisoka tremendously outsmarts and outskills, and this is very dangerous because he can overcome with ease things that could be deadly for him, for example when Chrollo created a whole ass plan just to kill him (no spoilers here, this is one of the best fights in manga historyyyy) or when Castro who previously could beat him didn't keep the evolution pace... speaking of which:

Second thing is that Duke has no counter to Acc. Develop., which can be one of the most busted abilities around here and is one of his main things, as a busted Nen user should be.

I really think that Duke has no proper response for how busted Hisoka can be outside of stats talking
 
First, Hisoka tremendously outsmarts and outskills
Just to make it easier to get that i'm not taking this from my ass:

Intelligence: Gifted ([Skipping feats that speak of other stuff] Can fight on par with the Pathfinder, although not fully matching their skill)
Intelligence: Genius combatant (Hisoka is easily one of the most devious and intelligent characters in the entire series. Hisoka is an expert tactician and schemer with excellent analytical abilities. Though at high personal risk, he succeeded in manipulating the Spiders into staying in Yorknew so he could fight Chrollo and to forge a fake prophecy in minutes, if not seconds, after receiving the original, perfectly replicating its style. While on Greed Island, he managed to trick Killua, although both he and Biscuit remained suspicious of him. His aptitude for reading others' character and finding common traits allowed him to create a personality-based system to determine Nen types. Although he admits it is unreliable, he has been correct every time he was seen resorting to it. Hisoka is also an exceptional strategist who can formulate winning plans at the very start of a confrontation. He frequently puts up an outlandish or even arrogant act to fool his opponents into believing he is careless, but he is laying traps in actuality. He excels not only at planning but also at picking apart enemy strategies, compiling all the available information, coming up with multiple hypotheses in mere seconds and the heat of battle, and rapidly adapting to new developments. He is a master hand-to-hand combatant, quickly making his way up to the 200th floor without a single use of Nen. He frequently defeats his foes with trickery, reflecting Gotoh's coins at him as a mere distraction before appearing from above and slicing his throat. He is also sadistic and ruthless in combat, never relenting unless he feels that he has something to gain from his target or if they have the potential to grow further. He even devised a successful plan to revive himself from the dead when he was cornered by Chrollo Lucifer, with the latter being one of the few characters in the series to make a fool of him.)
 
bungee gum can be used to latch onto walls for mobility, lump objects together for greater AOE and damage output, stretch out for greater range, glue to restrain opponents, heal himself, replicate textures, and its greatest advantage of being invisible. but most of this is gonna be pretty useless because Hisoka always fights opponents up close and personal unless he's fighting a mob, and glue is indeed one of his openings.
 
bungee gum can be used to latch onto walls for mobility, lump objects together for greater AOE and damage output, stretch out for greater range, glue to restrain opponents, heal himself, replicate textures, and its greatest advantage of being invisible. but most of this is gonna be pretty useless because Hisoka always fights opponents up close and personal unless he's fighting a mob, and glue is indeed one of his openings.
by opening and seeing that it has no effect on the opponent he can alter his strategy.
Like in the fight against Gotoh, we see that even if not instantly shooting it at the target, foreseeing that it'd be unefficient, Hisoka can do a lot of stuff
 
what strategy exactly? make up a strategy that hisoka can use where he utilizes bungee gum effectively.
 
what strategy exactly? make up a strategy that hisoka can use where he utilizes bungee gum effectively.
having more skill and going up-close he can just outperform Duke in CQC, both defending and attacking with Nen distribution over his body.
He doesn't need bungee gum as much as you think, as other stuff compose his kit
 
having more skill and going up-close he can just outperform Duke in CQC, both defending and attacking with Nen distribution over his body.
He doesn't need bungee gum as much as you think, as other stuff compose his kit
he does no damage. his AP is more than 10x lower, and the only way he can actually deal damage is by putting Ko in one spot, and leaving the rest of his body vulnerable. and with the LS and AP difference, he can't even make up for that vulnerability by blocking.
 
he does no damage. his AP is more than 10x lower, and the only way he can actually deal damage is by putting Ko in one spot, and leaving the rest of his body vulnerable. and with the LS and AP difference, he can't even make up for that vulnerability by blocking.
and by noticing that his attacks are doing no damage he can adapt his strategy and grow mid-fight, again, both because of his outskilling and because of his Acc. Development
 
his accelerated development is referring to his nen proficiency. and your whole argument is that he adapts and creates a strategy that makes weak attacks do big damage? and that he outskills to the point he never gets touched at all (something that has never been demonstrated) and thus not getting one-tapped? whatever bro.
 
Rapidly diatributing aura for both offense and defense with Ryu and Ko is standard operating procedure for any semi-competent nen practitioner
nen fights would be a little silly with people just oneshotting or doing 0 damage if that wasnt the case
 
his accelerated development is referring to his nen proficiency.
by stating that he learned a technique and created his own, both mid-fight, it is clearly something that it's likely to matter here, no?

and your whole argument is that he adapts and creates a strategy that makes weak attacks do big damage?
that makes his weaker attacks eventually incap/kill him, and this is his style as he loves prolonged fights

and that he outskills to the point he never gets touched at all
Well, he has beaten people with far more skill than the Duke, untouched (Gotoh, Shalnark and even Kortopi who should be basically as skilled as the Duke for being a member of the troupe for multiple years, should be enough examples). Most by being stealth but there was a clear example of a direct confrontation, iirc being Gotoh
 
honestly besides stat sticking Hisoka, Duke is pretty much cooked. Sounds like a real mismatch now.
No it really isn't

While I do agree hisoka is smarter and probably more skilled (I put a lot of emphasis on probably), he's gonna spend tons of time trying to deal with binding tempest + suffocation in addition to dukes autoparry forcefields

It would definitely be possible for him to win overtime through outsmarting, but in no way is that going to be as easy as you think it is
 
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