One Tail Naruto High 6-B Rasengan Upscale

[Apollonir.Scale]

I'd like to thank Jason for doing the calculation, and Floxy for reviewing it.

Combine Rasengan

Naruto and Boruto's combined Rasengan jutsu obliterates the clouds at the end of the battle with Urashiki. The calculation for this results in a High 6-B rank. This CRT is solely intended to enhance their Rasengan.

If you're wondering how to know which jutsu adds how much power, there are statements indicating the need for relative power and compatibility for combined jutsus.

1) The statement in the Databook regarding the perfect compatibility between Gamabunta and Jiraiya.
2) Tobirama's statement in the manga about Naruto and Sasuke's combined jutsu.
3) Jiraiya's statement in the Time-Slip Arc (the arc where this feat occurs) mentions the need for synchronization and "flow and power" for the combined jutsu. It also mentions that there are Jonin who cannot synchronize their chakras, meaning they cannot perform combined jutsus. This adds a plus point to Boruto and Naruto's talent.

Consistency

Speaking of consistency,

There are already a lot of tier 6 calcs in the series. If I haven't miscounted, there are 26 tier 6 calcs in the verse profile, and 16 of them are worth less than the feat in this CRT. In addition, there are tier 7 feats. Therefore, I believe the upgrade I'm suggesting in this CRT is consistent.

Conclusion:

One Tail Kid Naruto's Rasengan=187 Teraton (High 6-B) via Empowerment/Mental Amp
Time-Slip Arc Boruto's Rasengan=187 Teraton (High 6-B) via Empowerment/Mental Amp

I agree: Nierre, Godernet
I disagree: Damage

 

[Damage3245]

Speaking of consistency,

There are already a lot of tier 6 calcs in the series. If I haven't miscounted, there are 26 tier 6 calcs in the verse profile, and 16 of them are worth less than the feat in this CRT. In addition, there are tier 7 feats. Therefore, I believe the upgrade I'm suggesting in this CRT is consistent.

Well, consistency for the profiles doesn't just mean existence of calcs in the verse in general, but consistency for the specific characters that you're revising. If a verse had a dozen Tier 5 feats but they're all exclusively performed by one or two God Tier characters then that doesn't necessarily make it consistent for a low-tier fodder to be Planet level, for example.

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah Superman having a tier 5 feat doesn't mean Batman having one is consistent

I'm not sure about the consistency from this. From the name alone I thought it was the momoshiki one (and I could grant more grace from that since New Era Naruto is strong), but Boruto and Kid Naruto... aren't that strong

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Well, consistency for the profiles doesn't just mean existence of calcs in the verse in general, but consistency for the specific characters that you're revising. If a verse had a dozen Tier 5 feats but they're all exclusively performed by one or two God Tier characters then that doesn't necessarily make it consistent for a low-tier fodder to be Planet level, for example.

Okay, so why would it be inconsistent considering Naruto and Sasuke will display Tier 6 feats later in the story? I would understand if they had never reached that level throughout the story.

Besides that, there are three Tier 7 feats in Part 1. Naruto and Sasuke are already scaled to all three.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I'm not sure about the consistency from this. From the name alone I thought it was the momoshiki one (and I could grant more grace from that since New Era Naruto is strong), but Boruto and Kid Naruto... aren't that strong

This isn't Momoshiki, it's Urashiki, and Urashiki is listed as 6-B on this wiki.

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, so why would it be inconsistent considering Naruto and Sasuke will display Tier 6 feats later in the story? I would understand if they had never reached that level throughout the story.

Besides that, there are three Tier 7 feats in Part 1. Naruto and Sasuke are already scaled to all three.

Well, one of those Tier 7 feats from Part 1 is is in the process of being removed.

Also Tier 7 and Tier 6 have pretty huge ranges.

 

[KingTempest]

Okay, so why would it be inconsistent considering Naruto and Sasuke will display Tier 6 feats later in the story? I would understand if they had never reached that level throughout the story.

Besides that, there are three Tier 7 feats in Part 1. Naruto and Sasuke are already scaled to all three.

they display tier 6 feats much later when they're much stronger, aka power progression.

they don't show a single tier 6 feat until they get tailed beast bombs and giant kaiju forms. this isn't the same as getting them with one of your signature attacks

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

they don't show a single tier 6 feat until they get tailed beast bombs and giant kaiju forms.

Sage Mode Rasenshuriken and Kirin 6-C

 

[KingTempest]

Sage Mode Rasenshuriken and Kirin 6-C

Barely over baseline but fine

regardless, point stands

 

[Testarossa002]

Elephant(s) in the room

• That's not just a rasengan though? It's much more closer to a Cho Oodama Rasengan
• Even after the value is split, why would naruto's regular rasengan be scaling to it?
• Boruto's own Rasengan could only break Urashikl's horn
• Jiraiya, despite being stronger than Naruto, could only inflict minor damage on Urashiki WITH an Oodama Rasengan. Meanwhile, Naruto's regular Rasengan is only 2x weaker than an attack that vaporized Urashiki?

All of these points show that this isn't their regular level of power
That being said, that's why we have Empowerment ratings in Naruto, aka mental amp
Going through the feat, and it's clear that Empowerment is involved here
So it'd look something like this:

Multi-City Block level (Stronger than before after his training. Fought and matched Sasuke, although Sasuke was still in recovery. Somewhat matched Post-Curse Mark Ritual Sasuke, although Sasuke was mostly toying with him and overpowering him), City level+ with Rasengan (One-shot Kabuto Yakushi), higher with Kyubi Influence (Should not be weaker than he was against Haku, as he was at his angriest and most feral state since that fight. Easily overpowered Sasuke), Mountain level with One-Tailed Kyubi Cloak (Much stronger than his Kyubi Influence state, and overwhelmed Three Tomoe Sasuke, forcing him into using CS1, and then CS2), Large Mountain level with Vermilion Rasengan (Clashed evenly with CS2 Sasuke's Chidori), up to Large Country level with Empowerment (Naruto, after being suppressed out of Berserk Mode by Boruto, resolved not to lose to Urashiki and in combination with the former, generated a rasengan which obliterated Urashiki and produced by-products this strong)

For outlier arguments (not that it applies anymore if it's via empowerment), the basement dwellers are working on something that'd make the current gap between FV Naruto and the bijuu tiers much closer than it is now. I wouldn't bank on it 100% for this CRT but it should be at the back of all our minds

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Even the Gamabunta of Kid Naruto was strong enough to fight Shukaku for a while. It's known that the power levels of Kuchiyose creatures vary depending on who summons them. Considering Shukaku is thought to be Tier 6, this implies Naruto's Gamabunta was also Tier 6.

The Naruto form in this CRT is much stronger than his form when he summoned Shukaku-level Gamabunta. Why couldn't he possess a Tier 6 Rasengan?

 

[Kaydee1648]

following.
leaning towards test since that solves the initial issue i had with this.

 

[KingTempest]

Even the Gamabunta of young Naruto was strong enough to fight Shukaku for a while. It's known that the power levels of Kuchiyose creatures vary depending on who summons them. Considering Shukaku is thought to be Tier 6, this implies Naruto's Gamabunta was also Tier 6.

This is just wrong. Please do not try to utilize the scaling of the summons to claim it shows strength increase.
These aren't shikigami made from your own energy. These are living beings. Weak Naruto, strong Jiraiya, stronger Sage Naruto, and far stronger Minato summon the same exact strength Gamabunta.

"Naruto's Gamabunta" no it's Gamabunta he's his own person with 1 strength level

 

[Nierre]

this is post Sasuke Retrieval Naruto so this would be within that new key that we made for that one anime arc. Sasuke would not scale to this Naruto.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i agree with the calc and the feat, but why would this backscale to any other version other than the time slip version?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Naruto's regular Rasengan is only 2x weaker than an attack that vaporized Urashiki?

Urashiki had also been struck by Sasuke's Kirin. Even before being hit by the Kirin, he was invincible against their attacks.

• Boruto's own Rasengan could only break Urashikl's horn

Urashiki was letting Boruto and Shinki develop strategies against him just for fun. After taking damage, he says, "I didn't expect this much from you." And wasn't Urashiki weakened in these episodes?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

this is post Sasuke Retrieval Naruto so this would be within that new key that we made for that one anime arc. Sasuke would not scale to this Naruto.

i agree with the calc and the feat, but why would this backscale to any other version other than the time slip version?

Tsunade says a genin escaped from the village a few days ago, and it's confirmed she's referring to Sasuke. So I considered the Sasuke fight, but the Rasengan he uses here, the Cho Odama Rasengan, would be much stronger than the one he uses against Sasuke, and Sasuke would be unscalable. I think I'll cross that part off the list.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

no Urashiki was only weakened during the time slip arc not the shukaku escort arc

 

[Testarossa002]

Urashiki had also been struck by Sasuke's Kirin. Even before being hit by the Kirin, he was invincible against their attacks.

he recovered well before the rasengan got to him

Urashiki was letting Boruto and Shinki develop strategies against him just for fun. After taking damage, he says, "I didn't expect this much from you."

That's the point
The rasengan went from dealing negligible damage to base urashiki to being half as powerful as an attack that nuked amped Urashiki

And wasn't Urashiki weakened in these episodes?

No?
He'd just absorbed a large chunk of Sasuke's chakra

 

[Nierre]

Tsunade says a genin escaped from the village a few days ago, and it's confirmed she's referring to Sasuke. So I considered the Sasuke fight, but the Rasengan he uses here, the Cho Odama Rasengan, would be much stronger than the one he uses against Sasuke, and Sasuke would be unscalable. I think I'll cross that part off the list.

This is within the window that the Raiga arc takes place, so there's no reason not to just combine these two arcs and have these both be considered in the "Post Sasuke Retrieval" key

 

[Nierre]

Also I agree with test. "up to H6B with empowerment" is fine

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

These aren't shikigami made from your own energy. These are living beings. Weak Naruto, strong Jiraiya, stronger Sage Naruto, and far stronger Minato summon the same exact strength Gamabunta.

"Naruto's Gamabunta" no it's Gamabunta he's his own person with 1 strength level

Unfortunately, the Sasuke Retsuden manga version doesn't share your opinion. Jiji stated that the powers change depending on who directly summons them.

Leaving aside the statement above, how can Minato's Gamabunta hold Kurama for a while, while the Gamabunta you claim is of the SAME POWER LEVEL can barely fight Shukaku?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

The rasengan went from dealing negligible damage to base urashiki to being half as powerful as an attack that nuked amped Urashiki

So, could Boruto have gotten stronger from the time he couldn't inflict significant damage on Urashiki initially until this episode? I don't recall any statement in the Naruto series suggesting that you can't get very strong quickly.

 

[KingTempest]

Unfortunately, the Sasuke Retsuden manga version doesn't share your opinion. Jiji stated that the powers change depending on who directly summons them.

Unfortunately the Naruto manga shares my opinion, which is why Naruto's summon clashes with Kabuto's, who is FAR stronger than him, and Shizune, who is also FAR stronger than him.

That's just blatantly incorrect.

Leaving aside the statement above, how can Minato's Gamabunta hold Kurama for a while, while the Gamabunta you claim is of the SAME POWER LEVEL can barely fight Shukaku?

Minato's Gamabunta dropped on his head in an awkward position and never did any damage. He fought Shukaku in a fair fight.
You keep saying "Minato's Gamabunta" Gamabunta isn't a jutsu. He is his own individual character with his own feats.

Summoning Jutsu is space time ninjutsu. It rips a person out of space and teleports them. You aren't creating a new individual, you're teleporting 1.

This is why when Naruto wanted to summon Gamabunta in the war, and he was busy, Gamakichi came out instead. If he could summon "his own Gamabunta", this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Kaydee1648]

So, could Boruto have gotten stronger from the time he couldn't inflict significant damage on Urashiki initially until this episode? I don't recall any statement in the Naruto series suggesting that you can't get very strong quickly.

Boruto is not him, he doesn’t have the AD required to oneshot someone unscathed by his attacks a minute prior.

Empowerment is the only alternative that doesn’t make this an outlier.

Also it needs to be clarified that Naruto & Bolt won’t be getting High 6-B with just empowerment, it’ll be with empowerment rasengan (or a better name, i’m terrible at this). Saying this because the wording wasn’t clear enough in the post suggesting it.

 

[Testarossa002]

So, could Boruto have gotten stronger from the time he couldn't inflict significant damage on Urashiki initially until this episode?

The time difference between both events is like 2 days and he spent most of that on a family picnic
Seeing as he needed extreme training to grow 8x in the following arcs, I'm going to go with no

 

[Godernet]

Test makes the most sense here.

Not only did Naruto and Boruto showcase a level of power neither were even close to accomplishing earlier.

They used a variant of Rasengan that Naruto shouldn’t know for three more years of training and Boruto just doesn’t have the capacity to use normally.

They also surpass Jiraiya in this moment who should still be stronger than KN1 Nard, and is implied able to keep pace with an older Naruto for training until he sprouts the Fourth Tail.

H6B via empowerment/mental amp for the Post P1 Key is fine with me.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Unfortunately the Naruto manga shares my opinion, which is why Naruto's summon clashes with Kabuto's, who is FAR stronger than him, and Shizune, who is also FAR stronger than him.

I'm not directly saying Naruto = Gamabunta. I'm just asking why it's viewed with suspicion that someone whose Kuchiyose can reach Tier 6 would also have a Tier 6 Rasengan. He didn't summon Gamabunta when fighting Kabuto, after all.

This is the manga panel for the statement I'm referring to. I couldn't find the English version, so I'm including the Turkish translation.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

The time difference between both events is like 2 days and he spent most of that on a family picnic
Seeing as he needed extreme training to grow 8x in the following arcs, I'm going to go with no

Test makes the most sense here.

Not only did Naruto and Boruto showcase a level of power neither were even close to accomplishing earlier.

They used a variant of Rasengan that Naruto shouldn’t know for three more years of training and Boruto just doesn’t have the capacity to use normally.

They also surpass Jiraiya in this moment who should still be stronger than KN1 Nard, and is implied able to keep pace with an older Naruto for training until he sprouts the Fourth Tail.

H6B via empowerment/mental amp for the Post P1 Key is fine with me.

Okay, I've changed my mind on that. So I'm changing CRT's suggestion to "High 6-B via empowerment/mental amp".

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I ******* hate the Time Slip filler arc so god damn much, it just ***** with scaling so much....

 

[KingTempest]

I'm not directly saying Naruto = Gamabunta. I'm just asking why it's viewed with suspicion that someone whose Kuchiyose can reach Tier 6 would also have a Tier 6 Rasengan. He didn't summon Gamabunta when fighting Kabuto, after all.

Okay.
Kuchiyose is a summoning jutsu.
All it does is summon an individual.
It does not take tier 6 levels of energy to summon people.
All that is is space time ninjutsu. It is just teleportation. That does require a certain level of chakra control, but still, it does not scale you to them.

The tier of the summon means absolutely nothing to the tier of the summoner.

This is the manga panel for the statement I'm referring to. I couldn't find the English version, so I'm including the Turkish translation.

This is objectively wrong and I refuse to take this over the manga

 

[KingTempest]

I ******* hate the Time Slip filler arc so god damn much, it just ***** with scaling so much....

Land of the waves ass arc

 

[Damage3245]

I ******* hate the Time Slip filler arc so god damn much, it just ***** with scaling so much....

I'm not even sure why we accept it as being canon to the original Naruto manga. Urashiki is a character who doesn't even exist in the Boruto manga.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

This is objectively wrong and I refuse to take this over the manga

Why do you find this inaccurate compared to the manga version? I don't see anything that contradicts the manga.

Yes, when summoned by Minato, Gamabunta couldn't inflict any damage on Kurama, but he could hold him for a while with his LS. Holding Shukaku was much harder.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I heard in one novel that Gamabunta is as strong as Kurama. I didn't mention it initially because I didn't know which novel it was from and I suspected it might be fake. Could someone who has read the novels clarify its accuracy?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I'm not even sure why we accept it as being canon to the original Naruto manga. Urashiki is a character who doesn't even exist in the Boruto manga.

The Boruto anime is also canon.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is objectively wrong and I refuse to take this over the manga

It's fine if summons have a baseline level of power, but get amped if their summoner is stronger than they are

 

[KingTempest]

Why do you find this inaccurate compared to the manga version? I don't see anything that contradicts the manga.

Yes, when summoned by Minato, Gamabunta couldn't inflict any damage on Kurama, but he could hold him for a while with his LS. Holding Shukaku was much harder.

It wasn't even LS, Gamabunta was just heavy. Being big and being able to overpower in lifting are different. For example, Naruto could throw Kurama, but I doubt he's outwrestling him.

He barely held him down for even a few seconds and he instantly got teleported away.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I heard in one novel that Gamabunta is as strong as Kurama. I didn't mention it initially because I didn't know which novel it was from and I suspected it might be fake. Could someone who has read the novels clarify its accuracy?

Some of these novels need to be demolished because wtf

We need a source

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Innocent Heart, Demonic Blood

 

[KingTempest]

It's fine if summons have a baseline level of power, but get amped if their summoner is stronger than they are

This is just not true... at all? Nor has it ever been shown in the main series? Or else those little tiny behind frogs Naruto summoned would've been amped when he summoned them.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is just not true... at all? Nor has it ever been shown in the main series?

Rashomon Gates difference between Sakon, Oro, and Hashirama.

Or else those little tiny behind frogs Naruto summoned would've been amped when he summoned them.

They could've been for all we know. That or summoners amping summons is something Kishimoto only thought of later