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Sometime last year, our cosmology blog was approved by the wiki. We are currently working on fixing the profile pages, and we think that as we go, it will be easier to apply the new changes in AP from profile to profile. We will be applying the AP changes to the finished pages: Sailor Moon and Galaxia, as well as Queen Nehellenia, since she is a major pillar for scaling the high ends. With further ado, let's start:
During the first arc, Sailor Mercury creates a Super Dimensional Space to bring the cast to a new location. In the novelization, this space is described as existing beyond space and time and beyond the world of three spatial dimensions, making it a world of four spatial dimensions.
This would mean that within the greater cosmology there exist at least four spatial dimensions and at least one dimension of time, totaling five dimensions.
Here is the full argument from the cosmology blog:
Usually, a "transcending space-time" statement would be too vague to form a solid conclusion. But there are other details to note that solidify this being a Higher-Dimensional Space. Before Sailor Mercury summons the Hyper-Dimensional Space, she asks Luna for time-axis calculations. In the Manga this was a brief exchange, but the novelization provides further context. The terms '時間軸' and '設定' mean 'time-axis' and 'establishment/creation/setting' in context.
「ルナ、時間軸の計算を!」ルナはあらかじめ計算していた数値を亜美に伝える。 亜美はゴーグルをかけて、ルナから伝えられた時間軸を設定する。 シールドを作るわ!このままじゃ、このへん一帯ふっとんじゃう!」
"Luna, calculate the time axis!" Luna tells Ami the numbers she has calculated in advance. Ami puts on her goggles and establishes the time axis as Luna tells her. "I'll make a shield! If we don't, this whole area will be blown away!"
—Sailor Moon Novelization
The time axis for the main universe already exists and is intact. The question arises: Why would Sailor Mercury need to establish/sett up a new Time-Axis? Earlier, the first novelization scan confirms that the World in question transcends the space and time of the main universe and its dimensions. But it doesn't state that the new world lacks space and time.
Thus, the most consistent explanation here would be that Sailor Mercury was setting up, or establishing, the new time-axis of the Hyper-Dimensional World before she summoned the Hyper-Dimensional Space in order to bring everyone into that World in the first place (which is why she only summons the Space after she gets her time-axis calculations). Meaning that the Hyper-Dimensional World has its own spatio-temporal axis, however, this axis transcends the dimensionality of the lower dimension, meaning it functions exactly like a Higher-Dimensional World.
During the second arc, the future is described as being a different space and time from the past, as well as a different dimension.
Sailor Moon and Neo Queen Serenity cannot exist in the same space and time, as doing so would cause a paradox and erase Sailor Moon. This establishes that the past and future are separate space-times, which is standard for many series. However, the series goes further by explicitly stating that they cannot exist in the same dimension.
The kanji used is not the term for pocket spaces or alternate realms (異空間), but rather the term for a mathematical dimension (次元). So when King Endymion refers to “dimension,” he is not simply referring to space in a general sense, but to a dimensional axis.
It is explicitly stated that the same person cannot exist within the same space-time and dimension. Since Sailor Moon (from the past) and Neo Queen Serenity (from the future) cannot coexist, this implies that the past and future operate on different dimensional axes.
To further corroborate this, during Prince Demande’s detailed explanation of his plan, he also refers to other dimensions using the mathematical kanji. These dimensions can be accessed through time travel using the Black Crystal and Silver Crystal. Time travel is described as movement across different dimensional axes.
This also helps explain why Mercury required time-axis calculations to access a higher dimension. Time periods are structured as separate dimensional axes.
Further supporting this, Parallel Sailor Moon is an alternate future of Sailor Moon. This alternate future is described as existing in another dimension, again using the mathematical kanji. This demonstrates consistent usage throughout the series: Naoko describes different time periods as operating on separate dimensional axes.
In this earlier scene, Naoko differentiates between dimension and space as separate concepts. Umino also describes the past as another dimension.
To provide more evidence to support this: the story itself says that the time periods are separated by rifts and another scan states the past is physically located on the other side of spacetime. But there is still an overarching history that connects them. Prince Demande also talks about this history in his explanation of his plans. This
Given all this evidence:
As the spacetime that holds Mercury’s dimension, would need to be 5D to contain it, but it also contains the universal realm, making that spacetime to be of significant size.
The universal realms themselves are made of separate dimensions (past, present, future) but are still casually linked. That would require an additional timeline to allow them to experience this causality. This separate timeline exists because changes to the timeline do not result in a branching timelines, but rather causes the entire timeline to change in all dimensions. Sailor Moon in her final act, restored everything and reverted things back to its original form.
In the second arc, Prince Demande steals the Silver Crystal of the past and the Silver Crystal of the future. He intends to combine their powers.
King Endymion and Sailor Pluto both state that doing so would annihilate the entire world. Sailor Pluto stops time and sacrifices herself to prevent this, demonstrating the severity of the threat.
The “world” mentioned here refers to the universe or cosmos, not just Earth. Earth had already been destroyed at this point. Additionally, Black Lady shows distress during this scene. If only Earth were at stake, she would not care, as she has explicitly stated multiple times that she does not care what happens to the Earth, on multiple occasions.
Furthermore, a single Silver Crystal has range across the entire cosmology. It lit up and transcended all of space and time, including the Corridor, which exists outside space and time.
If two such crystals were combined, Prince Demande would have destroyed everything (past, future, and all higher-dimensional spaces such as Mercury’s world) all of which fall within a single crystal’s demonstrated range.
NOTE: Some are going to argue this was merely a time paradox rather than annihilation. This is incorrect. Time paradoxes in Sailor Moon are consistently portrayed as gradual fading from existence, as seen here, here, and here.
In the fourth arc, it required the power of at least three crystals to defeat Queen Nehellenia:
The Pink Moon Crystal is Chibi-Usa’s own Silver Crystal, and the Golden Crystal is stated to be equal in power to the Silver Crystal.
The other Sailor Senshi also contributed their crystals’ power to transform Sailor Moon into Eternal Sailor Moon, who delivered the final attack that permanently destroyed Queen Nehellenia.
This means Sailor Moon’s Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss surpasses the level of power required to annihilate the world, including the additional dimensional axis of spacetime which can hold Mercury’s dimension, as well as the universal realm that contains causally linked structures with their own dimensions.
Therefore, Eternal Sailor Moon and the Eternal Senshi scale to Low 1-C in terms of AP. This would extend to final arc characters as well, including the Galaxy Cauldron, the source of all power in the cosmology.
All characters currently rated 2-C via Nehellenia scaling would be upgraded to Low 1-C.
Tallies:
Mercury's Dimension being 5D:
Agree:
Agree, but it's insignificant (not tierable): @Qawsedf234, @Random-Helper323
Disagree: @Reiner04, @Vietthai96
Neutral:
Spacetime of the universe is a hypertimeline that holds individual time dimensions that are casually linked:
Agree:
Disagree: @Reiner04, @Vietthai96
Neutral:
Sometime last year, our cosmology blog was approved by the wiki. We are currently working on fixing the profile pages, and we think that as we go, it will be easier to apply the new changes in AP from profile to profile. We will be applying the AP changes to the finished pages: Sailor Moon and Galaxia, as well as Queen Nehellenia, since she is a major pillar for scaling the high ends. With further ado, let's start:
Low 1-C
Part 1: Confirming the Existence of an Extra Dimensional Axis
Section A: Mercury's Dimension
During the first arc, Sailor Mercury creates a Super Dimensional Space to bring the cast to a new location. In the novelization, this space is described as existing beyond space and time and beyond the world of three spatial dimensions, making it a world of four spatial dimensions.
This would mean that within the greater cosmology there exist at least four spatial dimensions and at least one dimension of time, totaling five dimensions.
Here is the full argument from the cosmology blog:
In the Dark Kingdom Arc, Sailor Mercury creates/summons a Super Dimensional Space that leads to a world which transcends the space and time of the normal world by using time-axis calculations provided to her by a supercomputer. Visually, it contains what appear to be stars in the background.
The official Sailor Moon novelization provides further detail, stating that the world the Sailor Guardians traveled to does not exist within the normal three-dimensional world and transcends space-time. Another translation is available on the VSBW Translation Forum.
Normally, most people would not consider this a higher-dimensional world, since “transcending space-time” can be vague. However, there is another detail often overlooked in previous revisions.
Before Sailor Mercury summons the Super Dimensional Space, she asks Luna for time-axis calculations. In the manga this exchange is brief, but the novelization provides additional context.
At the latter end of the scan, the following is stated:
「ルナ、時間軸の計算を!」ルナはあらかじめ計算していた数値を亜美に伝える。 亜美はゴーグルをかけて、ルナから伝えられた時間軸を設定する。 シールドを作るわ!このままじゃ、このへん一帯ふっとんじゃう!」
"Luna, calculate the time axis!" Luna tells Ami the numbers she calculated in advance. Ami puts on her goggles and establishes the time axis as Luna tells her. "I'll make a shield! If we don't, this entire area will be blown away!"
Two things are important here:
If you recall, the earlier scan confirms that the world the Guardians traveled to transcends the space and time of our world and its dimensions. However, that does not mean it lacks space and time altogether —that is never stated.
The most reasonable explanation is that Sailor Mercury was establishing a new time axis in preparation for moving the battle into this transcendent world. Otherwise, she would have no reason to establish another time axis.
Since this world transcends both space and time, it would possess a higher spatio-temporal axis than the normal world. Because a Super Dimensional Space was required to access it, this implies that the location is higher-dimensional in scope.
The official Sailor Moon novelization provides further detail, stating that the world the Sailor Guardians traveled to does not exist within the normal three-dimensional world and transcends space-time. Another translation is available on the VSBW Translation Forum.
Normally, most people would not consider this a higher-dimensional world, since “transcending space-time” can be vague. However, there is another detail often overlooked in previous revisions.
Before Sailor Mercury summons the Super Dimensional Space, she asks Luna for time-axis calculations. In the manga this exchange is brief, but the novelization provides additional context.
At the latter end of the scan, the following is stated:
「ルナ、時間軸の計算を!」ルナはあらかじめ計算していた数値を亜美に伝える。 亜美はゴーグルをかけて、ルナから伝えられた時間軸を設定する。 シールドを作るわ!このままじゃ、このへん一帯ふっとんじゃう!」
"Luna, calculate the time axis!" Luna tells Ami the numbers she calculated in advance. Ami puts on her goggles and establishes the time axis as Luna tells her. "I'll make a shield! If we don't, this entire area will be blown away!"
Two things are important here:
- The time axis of the normal world already exists and is intact, since Luna was able to transmit its calculations.
- So why would Sailor Mercury be establishing a time axis if the current one was not damaged or affected?
If you recall, the earlier scan confirms that the world the Guardians traveled to transcends the space and time of our world and its dimensions. However, that does not mean it lacks space and time altogether —that is never stated.
The most reasonable explanation is that Sailor Mercury was establishing a new time axis in preparation for moving the battle into this transcendent world. Otherwise, she would have no reason to establish another time axis.
Since this world transcends both space and time, it would possess a higher spatio-temporal axis than the normal world. Because a Super Dimensional Space was required to access it, this implies that the location is higher-dimensional in scope.
Usually, a "transcending space-time" statement would be too vague to form a solid conclusion. But there are other details to note that solidify this being a Higher-Dimensional Space. Before Sailor Mercury summons the Hyper-Dimensional Space, she asks Luna for time-axis calculations. In the Manga this was a brief exchange, but the novelization provides further context. The terms '時間軸' and '設定' mean 'time-axis' and 'establishment/creation/setting' in context.
「ルナ、時間軸の計算を!」ルナはあらかじめ計算していた数値を亜美に伝える。 亜美はゴーグルをかけて、ルナから伝えられた時間軸を設定する。 シールドを作るわ!このままじゃ、このへん一帯ふっとんじゃう!」
"Luna, calculate the time axis!" Luna tells Ami the numbers she has calculated in advance. Ami puts on her goggles and establishes the time axis as Luna tells her. "I'll make a shield! If we don't, this whole area will be blown away!"
—Sailor Moon Novelization
The time axis for the main universe already exists and is intact. The question arises: Why would Sailor Mercury need to establish/sett up a new Time-Axis? Earlier, the first novelization scan confirms that the World in question transcends the space and time of the main universe and its dimensions. But it doesn't state that the new world lacks space and time.
Thus, the most consistent explanation here would be that Sailor Mercury was setting up, or establishing, the new time-axis of the Hyper-Dimensional World before she summoned the Hyper-Dimensional Space in order to bring everyone into that World in the first place (which is why she only summons the Space after she gets her time-axis calculations). Meaning that the Hyper-Dimensional World has its own spatio-temporal axis, however, this axis transcends the dimensionality of the lower dimension, meaning it functions exactly like a Higher-Dimensional World.
Section B: The many different Temporal axes
During the second arc, the future is described as being a different space and time from the past, as well as a different dimension.
Sailor Moon and Neo Queen Serenity cannot exist in the same space and time, as doing so would cause a paradox and erase Sailor Moon. This establishes that the past and future are separate space-times, which is standard for many series. However, the series goes further by explicitly stating that they cannot exist in the same dimension.
The kanji used is not the term for pocket spaces or alternate realms (異空間), but rather the term for a mathematical dimension (次元). So when King Endymion refers to “dimension,” he is not simply referring to space in a general sense, but to a dimensional axis.
It is explicitly stated that the same person cannot exist within the same space-time and dimension. Since Sailor Moon (from the past) and Neo Queen Serenity (from the future) cannot coexist, this implies that the past and future operate on different dimensional axes.
To further corroborate this, during Prince Demande’s detailed explanation of his plan, he also refers to other dimensions using the mathematical kanji. These dimensions can be accessed through time travel using the Black Crystal and Silver Crystal. Time travel is described as movement across different dimensional axes.
This also helps explain why Mercury required time-axis calculations to access a higher dimension. Time periods are structured as separate dimensional axes.
Further supporting this, Parallel Sailor Moon is an alternate future of Sailor Moon. This alternate future is described as existing in another dimension, again using the mathematical kanji. This demonstrates consistent usage throughout the series: Naoko describes different time periods as operating on separate dimensional axes.
In this earlier scene, Naoko differentiates between dimension and space as separate concepts. Umino also describes the past as another dimension.
To provide more evidence to support this: the story itself says that the time periods are separated by rifts and another scan states the past is physically located on the other side of spacetime. But there is still an overarching history that connects them. Prince Demande also talks about this history in his explanation of his plans. This
Given all this evidence:
- Mercury’s world is explicitly described as being beyond three spatial dimensions.
- Different time periods operate on distinct dimensional axes.
As the spacetime that holds Mercury’s dimension, would need to be 5D to contain it, but it also contains the universal realm, making that spacetime to be of significant size.
The universal realms themselves are made of separate dimensions (past, present, future) but are still casually linked. That would require an additional timeline to allow them to experience this causality. This separate timeline exists because changes to the timeline do not result in a branching timelines, but rather causes the entire timeline to change in all dimensions. Sailor Moon in her final act, restored everything and reverted things back to its original form.
Part 2: Who Scales and Why
Section A:
In the second arc, Prince Demande steals the Silver Crystal of the past and the Silver Crystal of the future. He intends to combine their powers.
King Endymion and Sailor Pluto both state that doing so would annihilate the entire world. Sailor Pluto stops time and sacrifices herself to prevent this, demonstrating the severity of the threat.
The “world” mentioned here refers to the universe or cosmos, not just Earth. Earth had already been destroyed at this point. Additionally, Black Lady shows distress during this scene. If only Earth were at stake, she would not care, as she has explicitly stated multiple times that she does not care what happens to the Earth, on multiple occasions.
Furthermore, a single Silver Crystal has range across the entire cosmology. It lit up and transcended all of space and time, including the Corridor, which exists outside space and time.
If two such crystals were combined, Prince Demande would have destroyed everything (past, future, and all higher-dimensional spaces such as Mercury’s world) all of which fall within a single crystal’s demonstrated range.
NOTE: Some are going to argue this was merely a time paradox rather than annihilation. This is incorrect. Time paradoxes in Sailor Moon are consistently portrayed as gradual fading from existence, as seen here, here, and here.
Section B:
In the fourth arc, it required the power of at least three crystals to defeat Queen Nehellenia:
- Sailor Moon’s Silver Moon Crystal
- Sailor Chibi Moon’s Pink Moon Crystal
- Tuxedo Mask’s Golden Crystal
The Pink Moon Crystal is Chibi-Usa’s own Silver Crystal, and the Golden Crystal is stated to be equal in power to the Silver Crystal.
The other Sailor Senshi also contributed their crystals’ power to transform Sailor Moon into Eternal Sailor Moon, who delivered the final attack that permanently destroyed Queen Nehellenia.
This means Sailor Moon’s Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss surpasses the level of power required to annihilate the world, including the additional dimensional axis of spacetime which can hold Mercury’s dimension, as well as the universal realm that contains causally linked structures with their own dimensions.
Therefore, Eternal Sailor Moon and the Eternal Senshi scale to Low 1-C in terms of AP. This would extend to final arc characters as well, including the Galaxy Cauldron, the source of all power in the cosmology.
All characters currently rated 2-C via Nehellenia scaling would be upgraded to Low 1-C.
Tallies:
Mercury's Dimension being 5D:
Agree:
Agree, but it's insignificant (not tierable): @Qawsedf234, @Random-Helper323
Disagree: @Reiner04, @Vietthai96
Neutral:
Spacetime of the universe is a hypertimeline that holds individual time dimensions that are casually linked:
Agree:
Disagree: @Reiner04, @Vietthai96
Neutral:
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